Cathy Meehan:
Well, there’s been a lot happening in the world of medical freedom. And in particular, the American Academy of Pediatrics has been hit by a lawsuit. And it’s not a normal regular lawsuit. This is a RICO lawsuit. Now this is a very serious and it involves racketeering.
and they are no longer going to be able to make these false claims that they’ve been making to parents and pediatricians alike. Today’s show has the beloved Dr. Paul Thomas, the author of The Vaccine Friendly Plan to help open up your eyes, and then the author of Vax Facts, where you can dig into the truth. So sit back, take some notes, and let’s get started.
Cathy Meehan:
Hello everyone and welcome to the Me Hand Mission podcast. And if you can see, I have the world’s favorite pediatrician, Dr. Paul Thomas. Thank you for joining us today.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Thanks, Kathy. It’s my privilege and honor to join you today.
Cathy Meehan:
You bet. You know, we do go back a few years. We met up at medical freedom groups and you have just, you and Dee Dee have just become dear to my heart and for the clinic. And we love and appreciate all that you do and that you risk for the sake of our children. And you have been busy lately, very busy. Yeah. Can you?
Dr. Paul Thomas:
It looks that way. have to give some of that credit to Rick Jaffe. He’s the attorney from California who I always knew he was supportive, but he had never really grabbed hold of the reins and just run with it. And he’s done this twice now, right? I’m part of a lawsuit that he’s put together against the CDC that’s still moving through the system and basically that lawsuit was that all vaccines should be shared decision-making. So it’s a sort of a workaround to get to what we’ve really always said we all agree on is that there should be no vaccine mandates, right? mean, parents should be allowed to decide what goes into their child’s body, period. There should not be, well, these are recommended, but…
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
You can’t go to school if you don’t get them. And then the schools don’t tell parents the truth that they actually have an exemption in all but five states. So the hope is that lawsuit will prompt RFK Jr. and the CDC HHS to do the right thing, which is just get rid of mandates. And hopefully that will still happen. So that was the purpose of that. Right.
Cathy Meehan:
Right, right. So, you know, recently the CDC did reduce the number of vaccinations from like over 80 to down to around 30. So do you think that that lawsuit had anything to do with the CDC turning around and, you know, reducing the number of vaccines recommended?
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Who knows? I mean, that was actually the hope. You know, we weren’t anticipating it’s a lawsuit we’re necessarily gonna win, but it’s a lawsuit that sort of puts it out there that, look, this is the right way to go. And so they can electively pivot, which they’ve done, whether they were gonna do it anyway, I don’t know. But I’m really happy to see we’ve nudged in that direction. So that’s a very good thing.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, I think that’s great. Well, what’s interesting is that, you know, we always say, show me the science when it comes to the vaccinations and the safe and effective and everything. And it seems like in retaliation to the lawsuit against the CDC, the AAP, American Academy of Pediatrics, just turned around and decided to sue the government. mean, it’s so everybody’s lawyering up is what it seems to be doing. It’s just, you
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Right. Right.
Cathy Meehan:
trying to fight this in the legal system, which we’ll see where that goes. But I also wanted to touch on briefly for those of the audience that don’t know you, you know, you are a doctor that has never been afraid to challenge the system. And I really want to credit you for, you know, I mean, you started with one of your books was the Vaccine Friendly Plan.
And that really was, I imagine, designed to just kind of like introduce the idea of, maybe we don’t need all these vaccines. Where did you come up with that idea in the first place?
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Right? Well, in 2002 or three, I sort of had my eyes opened. had read the Andy Wakefield paper that wrongfully was ultimately retracted and he was demonized wrongfully. But anyway, that paper simply said there might be an issue with the MMR vaccine and autism. We need to look into this. I mean, it was just a case report. No big deal. Actually, very big deal because it planted the seed. Huh. I mean, I was…
raised, if you will, my medical education was mainstream and taught and would, you know, it’s interesting. We teach what we have been taught, right? So in medicine, have to see one, see one, do one, teach one. And I mean, you would do that over and over again with even complicated surgical procedures. You see one, you do one, and then you’re teaching it. But very rarely did we have time to go back and really do a deep dive into the science and see if what we were being taught.
Cathy Meehan:
Mmm, true.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
actually was backed up by good science. in the vaccine, right, right. You accept it. You’re in training. Yeah. So I woke up in the early two thousands, like, my gosh, things aren’t as we’re being told. Vaccines are not quote safe and effective. That’s a marketing slogan. Every pharmaceutical product has risks. Vaccines. It became clear to me as you do a deep dive into this, there are hundreds, if not thousands of articles showing harms from vaccines.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, yeah. Well, why would you? mean, you expect to know, right?
Dr. Paul Thomas:
And those aren’t talked about in pediatric circles. So you have to do your own research and have an open mind to trying to figure out. Here’s what led me to trying to figure this all out. Why were kids so sick? I grew up, know, I’m however old I am, 68, almost 70. But when I grew up, there was zero autism. I I saw not a single case. Yeah. I mean, there are case reports because it was first.
Cathy Meehan:
Right, practically.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
diagnosed, if you will, by a canner in the 19, I think it was 1948, something like that. But to all intensive purposes, there was no autism. There was very little chronic disease of any kind. I mean, we’re talking asthma, eczema, allergies. It doesn’t matter. ADD, ADHD, anxiety, depression, all the neurological developmental delays. They just weren’t around. I mean, there’d be the occasional Down syndrome kid, and that was about it. And even in my medical school training,
There was no autism, severe autism to be seen. mean, they took us to a community in another town where there was a little community of Down syndrome kids to show us what development delay looked like. That was it. Never saw a case of autism or even spectrum. Fast forward to residency in the 1980s. I started seeing mild to moderate cases in during training where you get all the worst cases for the whole region. And, but still none of the severe non-speaking nonverbal,
autistic kids who were in pains, really struggling and suffering and not a good existence for them, right? I mean, it was like parents and people in general, we always dread the cancer diagnosis as rightfully so. It takes a lot of our loved ones out. You know this well. But for a parent also here, your child has autism when you know something’s drastically wrong with them. That’s a hard blow because some of those kids never fully recover and end up needing lifelong care. And
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
I was completely dissatisfied with the mainstream pediatric response to this, which was, well, we don’t know what’s causing it, but it’s not the vaccines. And like, okay, not the vaccines. How do we know that? How do you make a statement like that? Unless there’s really good science. So deep dive into the quote, really good science, it doesn’t exist. And the Institute of Med… Yeah, the Institute of Medicine, and I think it was 2002 or three, and then again in 2011,
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, where is it?
Dr. Paul Thomas:
did a deep dive at the request of Congress, I believe it was, to find the evidence that there’s no link and they couldn’t find it. It had never been properly studied. To this day, other than a few of us who’ve done some studies, it has never been, you know, thoroughly studied in the massive data sets that are out there. I mean, this is the insanity of it all. We’re in the computer age and have been for a couple of decades. The data’s there, they have to have looked. And my hunch is when they looked, they…
They were horrified with what they found and shut the book. They can’t publish that because it will destroy the program. And if you even look at the CDC’s mission statement, it’s all about the program. It’s not about having healthy kids. It’s not about eradicating chronic disease. It’s about saving the vaccine program. That’s all they are. They are a marketing arm of pharma to promote vaccines, period. But they’ve done a
Cathy Meehan:
Right? They don’t want to find it. Yeah. They don’t want to expose it.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
masterful job of disguising that in, in, in they, they get the best data in the world. Selectively they choose what they want to look at. When it becomes something they don’t want to look at, they stopped looking. We saw them do this with COVID. They just stopped counting because the disaster was becoming so huge from COVID shots. So they just stopped. I mean, it’s, it’s so anyway, that was what woke me up. I tried to publish a study in 2015. I could not get it accepted for publication. It’s another trick that the system has is
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
You just won’t publish articles that show vaccines in a negative light. So, all right, I’ll put some of my, at that point I said, okay, I’m going to write a book then. Nobody can stop you from writing a book. So that was the vaccine friendly plan, which has done a lot of good. Cause a lot of people will read that book and say, well, if those vaccines aren’t great, what about these other ones? And so thankfully a lot of people choose not to do any, fast forward medical boards after me, after I wrote that book, I mean, they wanted to silence me.
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Wakefield me, if you will. I was a threat. Yes, I was a threat to the establishment and to their vaccine program. So, you they’ll do almost anything to eliminate threats to a very, very lucrative industry. And the money that’s made by pharma is not just the vaccine money, which is in the billions, but it’s the fact that vaccinating does a huge
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, you are a threat. You are a threat.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
number, mean, massive destruction of your natural immune system. So in addition to that, it tricks your immune system into targeting proteins that sometimes resemble yourself. And that’s how autoimmunity develops. And so we have this massive rise in autoimmune conditions, allergy and allergic conditions. And those all need to be cared for because they’re chronic. the treatments for these things are usually lifelong medications. So
They’re not only, pharma is not only making money from the vaccines themselves, but that they’re making forever money on all the chronic conditions that were in large part triggered by these vaccines. And the data is there now. A patient for life. Yep. And if you think about it, they cannot patent natural substances. So everything pharma does is basically looks at what works in nature and then
Cathy Meehan:
Right, you just create a patient for life. It’s a patient for life.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
modify the molecule enough so you can patent it. then you get, yep, you get to have massive profits. mean, the most unbelievable to me was the fact that they had already patented the spike protein years before SARS-CoV-2 with spike protein appeared on the world scene. They patented it. And then that same sequence is in the vaccine. How interesting. It’s actually in SARS-CoV-2.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, synthesize it and put a pill in mine.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
the virus was clearly lab created. anyway, that’s not the point of this talk. The point is we need parents to wake up. That’s yeah, we could go down that rabbit hole and people will go.
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Cathy Meehan:
I know that’s a whole other thing. You start going down this road of corruption and it’s like…
Dr. Paul Thomas:
I know it’s just, it’s crazy. But the bottom line is, you know, if you’re a parent and you’re listening and you have a child or you’re going to have a child, think about who should raise that child. How do you want to raise? How do you want that child raised? Do you want the government making decisions about what goes into your child’s body? or do you want to make those decisions? And I would. Beg you to learn enough so that you realize,
Cathy Meehan:
Okay.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Heck no, I am not letting the government make decisions about my child’s body. I mean, we read ingredients on food, but we don’t read ingredients of what we’re injecting, which is even much more harmful than eating. I mean, they both can be harmful. So the medical board in Oregon said, prove that the vaccine friendly plan is as safe as the CDC schedule. And I’m glad they did. At the time, I was like, I was under a lot of stress because they were hitting me with stuff almost weekly.
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
give us this. They were just fishing. No patient complaints. They were just, it should be illegal what they did, but I was obligated to respond or they would just take my license. They’re all powerful. So I kept responding, kept responding. And then when they wanted me to prove that the vaccine friendly plan was as safe as a CD schedule, I thought that was impossible, but somebody, I don’t remember who it was said, well, why don’t you just do a quality assurance project? Look at all your patients and look at all outcomes. I thought, oh, you don’t even have to get an IRB to do a quality assurance project. That’s something we should all be doing.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Right? So in my case, I was doing informed consent and parents could choose however they wanted to vaccinate. And as a result, since most other practices were now in this crazy thing of kicking people out. So you go to your regular pediatrician, your first child was harmed. Let’s say got a vaccine and turned autistic and you’re as good as sure that’s what did it because of the temporal association. I mean, you get the vaccine.
Think about SIDS. I mean, you get a vaccine and your infant’s dead, usually in the first 24 hours, but within that first week. 70 % of cases of SIDS happen in the week after vaccines. None in the week before. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, I saw that on reported on theirs that and say that again to people that didn’t hear it in the back. That percentage over 70 % of Sid’s cases are within a week of their vaccination.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah. Yes.
week after the vaccine. Miller did a great overview of this with six studies that he could find where they actually had the data that looked at when it happened relative to the vaccines. Most people, most never look at that. They just sweep that under the carpet. Well, that’s…
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, and yeah, I actually I just did a podcast with Nick Holcher because they had put out a paper on the P450 enzyme that actually talks about how it, you know, affects the respiratory ability of infants. So you guys can hop back over to that podcast that talks about that. But there’s really something biologically correct on why children are dying after vaccinations. We don’t just make that up. Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Right. No. And in fact, people will say, the pro-vaccine people will say, association doesn’t mean causation, right? You’ve heard that complaint. So, okay, that is sometimes the case, but association could mean causation. That also could be, I took, I took a, yeah, I took penicillin, I had hives or, you know,
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, so let’s look into that people.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
A bad allergic reaction. It’s an association, but how do we know it was causation? Well, we know something’s causation when at least three things have to be present for you to be able to make that leap from now. It’s no longer just an association. This is actual causation. And I can say that with certainty. No doubt in my mind, most SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome or sudden unexpected death of an infant, SUTI, or suffocation, because nobody was there.
Cathy Meehan:
Whatever they want to call it, yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Right. You just found a dead baby after you put them to bed or put them down for their nap asleep and they’re blue and dead. We know it’s causation when number one, happens after, which we have that almost all of the SIDS, most of it’s happening after the vaccines, not before. Secondly, you need to have a plausible mechanism for this to be how it could happen. So you mentioned the P four 50 there’s immune activation. There’s direct toxicity of aluminum.
We have a number of well-documented, mean, lots and lots of studies showing the basic science behind how vaccines are triggering neuroinflammation and, you know, just massive problems in our brains and our detox pathways. So we know how it’s happening. We know that it’s happening after vaccines, and then you need multiple studies showing the same thing. In other words, it’s what those findings are reproducible. We now have those. I mean, we have my study, we have McCullough’s recent report. We have,
Vaxxed, unvaxxed, that Hooker and them published in that book, my own book, Vaxxed Faxxed, outlines a lot of this information. Folks, we know this. I can say with absolute certainty, honestly, and you can never say a hundred percent, right? But I am certain that we are killing far more babies with our vaccines than any, actually, than all of the diseases combined. And the magnitude of this is huge. So if you look at every disease for which we have a vaccine,
Dr. Paul Thomas:
In the U.S., there’s less than 100 deaths per year out of 300 million people. How many deaths? Just the SIDS portion of it. It’s thousands, probably two to 3000 at least per year babies dying because of what we’re doing, because of the intervention. Kathy, that has to stop. I mean, that’s just insane.
Cathy Meehan:
Absolutely, absolutely. It absolutely does. And I just thank God for people like you that they see that. I I call you, you’re a critical thinker. I mean, that’s all it takes is just to start questioning. And I want parents, parents need to question.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
You gotta.
Cathy Meehan:
Other pediatricians, you need to question, take the financial bias out of it and you just need to question what’s been going on. And you said Vax Facts and I just want to make sure that everybody knows that.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yes.
Cathy Meehan:
Your second book after the vaccine friendly plan is Vax Facts because that one is I mean that’s a go-to that we give to parents to really read and go through if they’re questioning vaccinations for their children or even as an adult. So that’s that’s a lifesaver. I think for a lot of people.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Thank you for saying that. really wrote that so it would be an easy read for parents and it would allow you to process. mean, take my journey that started in the early 2000s. So it’s over two decades as a pediatrician, as somebody who critically thinks as somebody who questions things, it still took me. I mean, it took me at least a decade to get from where I was to where I needed to be. And really two decades. How do you get parents who’ve been hearing the same
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
I’ll just call it nonsense. It’s not science. know, vaccines are safe and effective. That’s marketing. They’ve been hearing that and it’s been reinforced by the media, by public health, by their pediatricians for their entire lives. And now you’re about to have a baby or you have a kid and you’re all of sudden going, wait a minute, well, what’s the right choice here? Where do you start? People say, well, do your own research. Start with VaxFax because it’ll walk you through what I went through. I’m not assuming that you’re just gonna instantly get it.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
I’m going to show you how my eyes were opened, why they were opened. In part, it was because of what I was seeing. So Cathy, I was in a very unique experience in that because I was listening to parents, because I was really working hard to honor informed consent, I had more and more families choosing not to vaccinate at all. And then I had this massive influx of families who didn’t want to vaccinate, who were being kicked out of other practices. So here I’m sitting on 15,000 active patients with
a growing number of unvaccinated that ultimately was way over a thousand. had thousands of them who were partially vaccinated, sort of doing the vaccine friendly plan or less. And I had plenty of fully vaccinated kids who came in because that’s what they wanted originally, or that’s what they got when they were at their regular pediatric practice. Who got to see what I saw? To be able to see, my word, these unvaxxed kids are healthy.
They hardly get sick. When they do get sick, they get over it quickly. And then I got my data. So at the request of the board, prove the vaccine friendly plans as safe as the CDC schedule, we got the data. We looked at every baby born into my practice and it was 10 and a half years worth of data and we published it International Journal Public Health. It was up for six months.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
downloaded a quarter million times before it was retracted wrongfully. We’ve written up another article that shows it was wrongfully retracted, which is another tactic they have. But yes, and I was such a threat, Cathy, that within a few days of that becoming available online, they took my license. So they had an emergency meeting and it was suspended because I was a threat to public health. Look how they phrase that.
Cathy Meehan:
Is your threat. Your threat.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
I was able to prove that they took it wrongfully and they had to give it back to me, but I was, they were not going to budge on the three things, which are very interesting. It’s all telling about what they really care about. I was not to talk to any patient or staff member about vaccines. I couldn’t see well kids because that’s when you vaccinate. And of course I might in their minds, manipulate parents into not vaccinating, but here’s the most telling one. I was forbidden from doing research on my patients.
To get my license back, could not do research. And you see, I was sitting on the data, real world data. There’s nothing more powerful, Cathy, than these are my patients. I’m seeing them. I’m seeing my sick waiting room drying up. There’s just like hardly any sick kids anymore in my practice towards the end. And the well waiting room, standing room only. I had separate waiting rooms because I didn’t think it made any sense to have sick kids sit in a waiting room full of, I mean, well kids, babies especially.
sitting amongst a bunch of really sick kids. just, that’s what most pediatric offices are like. And it’s like, if you really think about it, mean, their babies are going to be around RSV and everything and respiratory stuff. It’s like crazy. Anyway, that was the journey that led me to, know, you say you’re so brave or people have said that, I was fearful. I knew what I was getting into.
Cathy Meehan:
Right, that makes sense.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
But I did it anyway, because once you really know, I mean, how could you do anything other than, than what I’ve done? You know, it’s just what I can’t unsee it. can’t know it. And it’s funny. I would go to my partners back when I still was in a group practice before I started my own practice and I would start to show them this stuff, articles, books. mean, I bought them books and it was like, they had their blinders on and they did not want to look. They would not.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, you can’t unsee it. You can’t unsee it.
Cathy Meehan:
Bye.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
talk to me about any of it. They wouldn’t read the books I was giving them. just, if you don’t see it and you intentionally make sure you don’t see it, then you don’t have to deal with it. And so that’s part of the problem. Anyway, now we have a lawsuit against the AAP, which is like, that’s really exciting for me. I’ll tell you why. Or you have another question first.
Cathy Meehan:
Yes! Okay.
Okay, no, I was just going to say, yes, people, this is, this is such big news. I don’t even know if people realize it, but go ahead and give us your, your take on it. And then we’re just going to talk about this, talk about the lawsuit. Yes.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Okay. All right. Let’s talk about it. So, and again, gratitude to Rick Jaffe, who’s doing the heavy lifting on the legal side of this. But let me explain to people what the AAP has done my entire career. So I was a board certified pediatrician. To be board certified, you have to have the full training, three years of pediatric residency and pass board exams, which are not easy, and retake them every seven years, which I did.
So I had 30 years of being, you’re the quote, cream of the crop. If you’re board certified, I mean, you’ve proven that you not only have been trained, but you can re-gurgitate if you will, what they want you to say. In fact, it got harder and harder to pass the exam because as I learned more about true medicine, what you do, you know, with mindset kids, for example, I mean, you look at everything, including, and especially looking at natural approaches.
Well, when you learn these other things that are so effective and you start to realize that what you were taught wasn’t that effective, now you’re sitting there taking a board exam and I would go, hmm, well, I know what I would do, but that’s probably not what they want.
Cathy Meehan:
No, that’s true. I remember Jim talking about that on certain exams that he would have to take, that he would actually have to switch his mindset into what do they want me to answer? Not what is the correct answer, but what do they want me to answer? Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah.
Right, right. And so was able to do that well enough to keep passing. but anyway, how the American Academy of Pediatrics has gained control of the whole pediatric and vaccine world is basically what we’re addressing with this lawsuit where we are claiming that they violated the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act, RICO.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
And they did this by making fraudulent and false claims about the safety of the CDC schedule, which by the way, the AAP used to be the ones sitting with the CDC to make the schedule. So it’s not like the CDC would make it and the AAP would adopt it. They did it together for many, many years. And then eventually they split off and just let the CDC do it, but they were there. They had their representative right there. They know exactly what they’re doing, what they want. And so.
Cathy Meehan:
Right, they know exactly what they’re
Dr. Paul Thomas:
they had never disclosed that they benefited immensely financially from, I mean, they’re basically paid by pharma, but there are several really important, I would say kind of lies that are perpetuated with vaccines. Tricks that they’ve used, they equate antibodies with immunity, right? So that’s not immunity. The immune system is robust when you’re…
Cathy Meehan:
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
exposed to the disease, which let’s take respiratory diseases for example. They come in through the nose pharynx, you breathe them in and at the mucus membrane level, you get your initial immune response, which actually keeps the infection from entering the body. Those few infections that get past that first line of defense, that’s where you need to develop antibodies, second line of defense to ramp up your immune system to say, whoa, they’re getting through our first line of defense, we got to go after these in vaccinology and the vaccine science, you never look at that first line of defense because guess what? You bypassed it by giving it as a shot. And so the only thing that the body sees is this whatever it is that’s been injected is now in our system. Whoa. And you make antibodies and unfortunately those antibodies are usually targeting just partial sequences or segments of the given bacteria virus. And so they don’t give you broad immunity. They just give you a very narrow immunity. This is part of the problem with vaccine induced immunity. It’s not lasting. It’s not robust. And it doesn’t cover for when organisms mutate, which they all do in time. So that’s one big problem with the science, but that’s ignored. They’ve used fake placebos since the beginning of time. Not a single vaccine on the childhood schedule was properly tested with a saline placebo. They basically use other vaccines as the placebo, which is ridiculous.
You can have, and in most cases there are, about 5 % serious adverse events in both arms of the vaccine study. So this means, for example, with the new Prevnar-20 that covers pneumococcal disease, can pull the package insert and go to adverse vaccine reactions and you will see 5 % of the people who got the old vaccine, the Prevnar-13, and 5 % who got the new one, the Prevnar-20, had serious adverse events. Serious is anaphylaxis, hospitalization.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Who would take a one in 20 chance of your baby having a serious adverse event for a disease? Yes, it can kill a few kids in the US, but not generally the ones who are robustly immune. Healthy kids do just fine. So that’s another problem. And then, you know, this concept of herd immunity that, you know, you need to vaccinate to protect my child. Here’s where my data blew that out of the water.
When we compared the vaccinated and the unvaccinated in my practice, the unvaccinated were rarely sick. And when they were sick, was minor, less severe and faster resolving. So you think about my practice, who were the sick kids in my practice? Well, the more highly vaccinated you were, chances are you would be among the sickest kids in the practice. Who gets grandma sick or who gets that cancer patient sick? Is it a healthy, well unvaccinated child who’s going to get
Grandma or the immune compromised kid sick? No, it’s the highly vaccinated sick kid. Sick people transmit infectious diseases. Other sick. Yeah. So that whole idea that you need to vaccinate to protect the vulnerable is absolutely upside down wrong, right?
Cathy Meehan:
Sick people make sick people. Yeah, okay. Makes sense there.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
And then they’ve declared that you can give as many vaccines as you want at the same time and they’re safe. mean, Paul Offit published an article in a pediatrics journal that all pediatricians read that you could give 10,000 antigens at once. I mean, the insanity.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, I wanted to say something about poor Mr. Paul Offit right now because for those of us in the know, he’s always been like that pro-vax guy, you know, saying all these things when I mean, he’s one of the problems in this lawsuit where they actually talk about Paul Offit.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Uh-huh.
Cathy Meehan:
teaching pediatricians and everyone that they can take 10,000 vaccines and they’re still safe and effective. I mean, I bet he is crapping in his pants because of ever saying that.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s, well, you know, I don’t know. I don’t know that he, he, I don’t think he was specifically named. He’s just, he’s mentioned his, his role in all of this because he’s been that go-to guy for, for, pediatrics and for the vaccinologist. mean, he’s, he’s right up there. but you know, he, his conflicts of interest run deep. mean, he’s made millions off of the rotavirus vaccine that, you know, he,
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
He was very involved with the people and the whole system that approved that vaccine so that he could make his fortune. Yeah, the conflicts of interests are terrible. So being able to just stay safe and effective and pushing that narrative, it’s just a lie, unfortunately. And then most recently with the mRNA, calling that a vaccine when it’s really genetic manipulation.
Cathy Meehan:
Right, right, right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
is tragic because they are dangerous period. They have not been able to create a mRNA vaccine, but they’re embracing that platform because it’s quick and it’s cheap. So they can make a lot of vaccines quickly and they can be look like they’re being really responsive, but what they’re doing is creating a massive disaster. then we, right. And we’ve allowed the industry to do the
Cathy Meehan:
Yes.
Cathy Meehan:
Right, with no requirement for safety studies. I mean, it’s just ridiculous. Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
the safety data, right? So the very people who are going to benefit from this vaccine hitting the market are the ones who are doing the data. the whole thing is horrible, but you add to the fact what we talk about in this lawsuit, Dr. Ken Stoller and myself are just two examples. We’re not the only two. Many, many physicians have lost their careers. We lost our licenses basically because we stood up against the AAP and their guidelines and the CDC and their guidelines.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
even way worse than us losing our license. I mean, we mentioned in this lawsuit, like the Nelson’s one year old who died of a cardiac arrest, having seizures just 12 hours after getting six catch up vaccines, but it was really 12. And parents, if you’re listening, you need to understand this. My youngest son is now a dad and he has a two year old son. And I’ve taught him his whole life about the challenges we’ve had with vaccines in our family. There’s a family history of vaccine injury and
you know, please don’t vaccinate. Well, he’s married a woman who’s very much, she works for Kaiser and she’s very much in the other side of this vaccine discussion, feeling like they’re very important. So he comes back from, I think it was the six month old visit and I asked him, you know, what did you end up doing about vaccines? And he says, you’d be so proud of me, dad. I just took one. And I’m thinking, huh, which one? He wasn’t sure. So I had him find out and it was.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
It was five in one. It was one of the horrible, you know, multi antigens in one vaccine. So, you know, yeah, my little grandson got one shot, but he got five. He got five in one. And five vaccines, just put them all in one vial and they have to put more aluminum when they’re big multiples like that. And those are the worst vaccines for side effects. So that’s another trick, right? It’s like counting them like that. So.
Cathy Meehan:
Yes.
Cathy Meehan:
by vaccines in one shot.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah. Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
You know, we’ve got not just the Nelson one-year-old who died. We’ve got the Shaw twins. I mean, they were 18 months when they got their vaccines and they were both dead within eight days. know, Didi and I through our Kids First Forever work, we’re coaching families who have lost an infant, you know, multiple times a year. And there’s nothing worse than having a completely healthy child. And you go in for a healthy well visit.
with the concept of well visits is to learn what you need to learn to have a healthy child. Unfortunately, just morphed into vaccine visits is all they really are. I mean, yes, pediatricians do all the little bells and whistles of this is what normal development should be. Here’s what you look for. Here’s how you should feed your kid. I’m not saying what pediatricians do is worthless, but it’s dangerous because you throw on top of that these vaccines that are actually dangerous. So.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, damn.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
It’s time for change. I was so delighted the CDC chose to remove, we started this conversation about this. They took COVID-19 influenza, hep A, hep B, rotavirus and meningococcal vaccines off the recommended routine schedule for healthy children. So those are now classified as in consultation with your physician.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, in joint. I can’t even think of what it’s called. But it’s still there. Joint decision making. Thank you. It is still there.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah, messing up on the Right. But anyway, it’s a, it’s a joint decision making. Yeah. Joint decision making with your doctor. Yeah. So, that’s a start, but you know what? They’re still there. And unfortunately, the American Academy of Pediatrics represents 67,000 pediatricians who are all being taught, trained, highly pressured through financial incentives and you know,
They can use examples like Dr. Stoller and myself. know, if you veer from this, this is what could happen to you, right? I mean, this is partly why they did that to Andrew Wakefield and they’ve done it to me and to Dr. Stoller is just to set an example. If you don’t follow the program here, you could be out of your career. So bottom line is no vaccine should be mandated. They should all go to joint decision-making. Parents, you need to understand by joint decision-making,
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
I hope you understand that it’s your decision. Because if you see a standard pediatrician who doesn’t know what we’re talking about here, know, Kathy, you and I are sharing information and then my new book, Vax Facts, shares this information that your regular pediatrician absolutely does not know. They’re not evil people. This is the thing. I mean, I’ve had people who I know well say, well, Dr. Offit’s a really great guy. And you know, he comes across that way. He’s like your…
Cathy Meehan:
Yes.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
really kind and loving grandpa kind of affect to him. So he’s a great spokesman for the vaccine industry because he comes across so credible. But underneath all of that is, does he just have his blinders on? I can’t believe that he does. He’s too far up in the system. He has to know, there’s so much data out there, right?
Cathy Meehan:
At this point, he’s got to know. He’s got to know. Which I want to go back to the fact that this is a RICO, R-I-C-O lawsuit. That’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. This means that the AAP is causing or involved in fraud. This is fraud. It’s racketeering.
They are telling lies and they are also they’re being corrupted and financed by pharmaceutical companies. So this isn’t just a, hey, vaccines are bad. This lawsuit is a criminal attempt to expose the fraud that they have created and that they’re using as propaganda to.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
on a massive scale.
Cathy Meehan:
Propaganda false information to pediatricians and parents alike they are lying to the pediatricians and to the medical schools I mean this is a this is a bad thing that they are doing and I’m just so thankful that you know if it takes lawyers to get all this information out that’s great however, we can do it because You know too many doctors like you have lost you I mean what a valuable practice you had you were actually
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah.
Cathy Meehan:
saving babies, saving families, giving them a place to go and it’s just like…
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah, no, we had a, grew from nothing. Well, I had about a thousand patients follow me when I left my group practice in 2008. And within a few years, we had that up to 15, 10, 15,000 and a long waiting list for years. We had a waiting list. We just didn’t have enough staff to take on all the people that wanted in because people are wanting choice. People are wanting the medical freedom. They want the ability to say, I want to talk about these vaccines and get to understand them. And,
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah. Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Most pediatric practices, won’t even talk you about it because it’s for one, they don’t know how to talk about it. But for another, it’s too time consuming. I mean, I would go in to a well-to-well visit and spend half an hour sometimes just going over the vaccines that would have been given at that time and going, truly going over risks and benefits. Well, that’s informed consent. And in part of the risk and benefits analysis of informed consent, you also have to have the option
Cathy Meehan:
No.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
to say no. If there’s no option to say no because they’re mandated, that’s not informed consent. That’s coercion.
Cathy Meehan:
Yes, that is coercion. is, that’s, it’s, you know, we’ve got to change that. And I, I wasn’t planning on this, but I really wanted to talk about mindset kids because you are a valuable part of mindset kids on our advisory board because you know, that was Jimmy’s baby was to come up with some.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan:
option for parents that still wanted like-minded pediatricians. so we created Mindset Kids so people can look into that if they are looking for options and choices and natural holistic healing because we really just need to get back to the basics and before pharmaceutical companies came and took over the domination of our children’s health. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah. Yeah. mean, full disclosure, as you said, I am on the advisory board. I haven’t done that much. So thank you for just letting me be a part of what is an incredible. Yeah. I, I really, really admire what you’ve put together with that program because it’s needed here. Here’s the problem. So many parents, probably some who are listening now have, and that is there, they’re either in a state that mandates vaccines and they don’t know what to do.
Cathy Meehan:
Well we call you just to make sure we’re doing things right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
And they need help figuring that out, which I can coach on that or mindset. Kids can help with that. But the bigger group is there are parents who now know they don’t want to follow the CDC schedule or they don’t want to do any vaccines at all. And there’s nobody in their town that will accept them as a patient. the pediatricians are saying, Nope, you can’t come to our practice unless you get all the CDC recommended vaccines. Well, now they’re even switching it to all the AAP recommended vaccines because the CDC now has made that change, right? To share decision-making. Well.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
If you already know, like read Vax Facts and then make some decisions, you know, or there are other great books. I mean, I’m not just trying to pump my own book. Turtles All the Way Down will show you that none of them were were safely, properly safety tested. Dissolving Illusions will show the massive fraud that went on to make it look like Vaccines saved the world when it really wasn’t. It flushed toilet hygiene, refrigeration and all those sorts of things. Aaron’s series new book, Vaccines Amen, really important.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, there are so many resources out there nowadays. mean…
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Yeah. Vaxxed, unvaxed. There’s so many great books. But, but get your information and then where do you go? Well, you want to have somebody medical who’s part of your team, no matter what. Right? I mean, you could take care of your kids and on your own and just, you know, use resources that you can find. But here’s the reason you need something like mindset kids in your, on your team, become a part of them. One.
where do you turn when your child is sick and you need to know, do I need to go to the emergency room or what alternative safe things can I do? And you guys excel at that. Mindset Kids is just what you’ve put together as far as resources for healthy care of kids that’s non-pharmaceutical for the most part is amazing. Also important is if something did happen and your kid ended up in the hospital or you get challenged for being a neglectful parents because you don’t have a healthcare provider.
Cathy Meehan:
And you do need a pediatrician, right.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Well, yes, you do. have mindset kids and you interact with them, you know, at least two times a year, if not more. You’ve got somebody on your court, on your team that will back you up in the event, unlikely event, but it does happen, unfortunately, where people are challenged by protective services for being neglectful. When in fact, they are the most diligent parents of all, parents who really want to protect their kids. Bless you and thank God for you.
Cathy Meehan:
Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan:
Yeah, and I don’t know a parent that doesn’t want to protect their children. you know, bless all those parents out there trying to trying to make a difference too. And Dr. Thomas, I appreciate you so much. If people want to get more information on you or find your coaching services, where do they go?
Dr. Paul Thomas:
So for coaching services and more information, the best website is kidsfirstforever.com. The four is the number four, not the word four, kidsfirstforever.com. And that will link you to just about everything I’m doing with my partner, Deedee, who does incredible coaching on complex topics, believe it or not. She’s just very gifted in coaching. She coached me when I was going through my board stuff. It’s like, if you’ve got stress, anxiety, depression, suicidality,
Cathy Meehan:
You
Dr. Paul Thomas:
gender dysphoria, it doesn’t matter. If you’ve got something in your family, whether it’s the parents who are struggling with it, or you’ve got a teen who’s struggling with it, or even a little kid, between the two of us, you will get the help you need. And then where I am most helpful, I kind of feel like is this vaccine issue. I I lived it. So I understand it very, very deeply. And I can often take a couple who maybe, let’s say they’re not on the same page. This happens a lot. One parent.
doesn’t want to vaccinate at all. And the other parents either not sure or they want to vaccinate. And how do they, I mean, this can break up a marriage and we don’t want that. We want people, we want people to, to have enough good information so they can come together on a good decision. And so by walking parents through my journey, they get to sort of see how, I didn’t realize that. I didn’t realize that either. my goodness. I didn’t realize that you start putting the pieces together.
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
And it becomes real clear and the book facts facts has all the references. and lots of easy graphs and things to look at, but that’s how you get ahold of me. I do have a sub stack and it’s actually kids first forever is the sub stack we’re going with. So that’s sort of our, like you have mindset kids, we’re, going kids first forever and we’re, we’re not doing the same thing, but we work, we work nicely together. I
Cathy Meehan:
Yes, yes we do. Because I know we’ve sent people over to you, especially when they need coaching. And I just, I appreciate all that you do. I appreciate all that Dee Dee does. And I am sure that we are going to do this again. And I just wish you the best of luck and God’s blessing, especially, and your protection, because you are a threat. You are a threat, but you are a great threat and the threat that I want in my corner, that’s for sure.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Well, thank you. I’ve been blessed by a lot of support from patients, friends, family, you all. thankfully, the world is waking up. this is my mission at this point. I’m getting old, but I’m not done. The mission is to get this information to every parent, every family that’s having to navigate this decision about vaccines.
Cathy Meehan:
Absolutely. You bet.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
and what are the right ways to raise your kids. It’s not just the vaccine issue, it’s getting proper nutrition, avoiding toxins, and we could go on and on for a whole topic, which Mindset Kids covered really well. So thank you for having me on, Kathy.
Cathy Meehan:
Right.
Thank you.
You bet. Have a blessed day. We’ll talk soon. Thanks.
Dr. Paul Thomas:
Thank you, you too.
