Cathy Meehan: Hello everyone and welcome to part two of our three part series on reflexes with Dr. Laura Hanson. So in part one, we covered withdrawal reflexes. Those are the earliest proactive patterns that begin wiring the nervous system in pregnancy. And today we’re gonna talk about primitive reflexes. These help with birth, feeding, bonding and early movement. These ones are meant to integrate in the first year of life as the brain’s maturing. But what happens when they don’t? Those might show up later as anxiety, sensory issues, learning struggles, or even poor coordination. So let’s break it down with our special guest, Dr. Laura Hanson. Cathy Meehan: Hey everyone and welcome to part two of our three-part series on reflexes. And we have back again, Dr. Laura Hanson, who I absolutely love your mind. I love how you educate. And we talked about withdrawal reflexes in part one. So if you haven’t seen that yet, people go back to that episode. But right now we are going to talk about the second one, which is primitive reflexes. So let’s talk about, you know, this little neurodevelopment in our little bitty babies and our little children and how that influences the rest of their life. So take it away, Dr. Hanson. Dr. Laura Hanson: Well, thank you so much for having me back. I love to talk about reflexes. So just a very brief recap. This is a sequence of events. And I really believe, too, over time, we will even discover more reflexes that are actually available to that central nervous system. But the majority of them have a tendency to be put into these categories. Cathy Meehan: Yes. Dr. Laura Hanson: So the withdrawal reflexes are the earliest defense system. So the first thing that we learn is how are we gonna survive. And that is going to influence how we see ourself in the world. Do we see ourself safe in the world? And it’s not like somebody’s doing something to the child. It’s literally their own little internal compass. But then after that gets laid down, My favorite word, and I use it all the time, is transition. That’s a really big word for the central nervous system. So you go from defense mode into, I just want to be with everything. I just want to go towards everything. So if you did listen to the first one, we talked about how that withdrawal reflex is part of how the inhibitory pathways in the brain get built. So you either go towards or you pull away. You have to learn everything that you are able to do. You have to learn it somewhere. So that’s what we’re unfolding for you is where these things come from. So this transition, we’re now gonna learn how to go towards something. Cathy Meehan: Right. Dr. Laura Hanson: and be part of it in order to make that part of our central nervous system. Now, the three reflexes that I want to highlight in this little segment are Moro reflex, ATNR asymmetrical tonic neck reflex, and tonic labyrinthine reflex. These are three that typically are very connected. Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Dr. Laura Hanson: And typically, if you have one that didn’t integrate, all three of them didn’t integrate. So one of the things that I’ve noticed in 30 years of practice is that is a very true element of how I was taught. And sometimes people will tell me that, well, we got that one resolved and we’re still working on this. And sometimes we have to understand how they overlap. Cathy Meehan: Okay. Dr. Laura Hanson: And there’s just no way for one reflex to be able to disappear when their timelines for coming on board and their timelines for integration are very connected. So it’s important to really kind of get that background. But let’s start with the word transition. So you go from being in the womb Cathy Meehan: Okay. Dr. Laura Hanson: to the outside world. That’s a transition. So it’s not just, it’s a big transition. You go from being a newborn to laying on the floor. You go through a transition on how to be a toddler, how to learn how to be potty trained, how to go to kindergarten, how to be apart from your mom longer and longer to being school age. Cathy Meehan: Big transition. Yeah. Dr. Laura Hanson: to adapting to an environment, to transition to college, to adult life, to a career, to buying a home. Transition is through our whole lives. So it’s a big one and it’s connected to either that if you go forward at that time, you’ll go into Moro, ATNR, palmar, all of that. Cathy Meehan: Wow, and those are big milestones. Dr. Laura Hanson: or you could get locked up in fear paralysis, meaning that there’s so much stress that’s going on, you don’t know how to go forward. And so we can have kids that are kind of stuck in that transition. And so that’s an element of the reflex world, okay? Cathy Meehan: Mmm. Mmm. Cathy Meehan: Wow. just keep thinking of all the problems you hear now with young teens and kids and anxiety and depression and they can’t go forward. mean, kids that they don’t want to get their driver’s license at 16. I mean, that one, I’m like, how do you have a child that doesn’t want to get their driver’s license at 16? it’s like, wow, it’s almost like you’re connecting dots that I’m thinking of some of my friends’ kids and grandkids and Dr. Laura Hanson: Yes. Dr. Laura Hanson: Yes! Dr. Laura Hanson: All right, next. Cathy Meehan: Wow, Dr. Laura Hanson. Yeah. Dr. Laura Hanson: And remember what we said in the first one. They don’t know how to tell you that that’s what’s going on inside because their library got stuck. They only have what they have, right? And that’s
Reflexes Part 1: The Hidden Blueprint of Brain Development | Dr. Laura Hanson + Cathy Meehan
Cathy Meehan: Today, we’re diving into something almost no one in mainstream pediatrics really fully explains, and that’s reflexes. I’m Cathy Meehan with the Meehan Mission Podcast, and my special guest today is Dr. Laura Hanson. She is a wealth of knowledge, and she’s with ConnectMyBrain.com. So we’re talking about reflexes. So not just like those ones you get at a checkup where they hit your knee and your leg bounces up, but those early automatic movement patterns that literally build the brain. We’re actually gonna do something special. We’re breaking this into a three-part series. And so today we are going to talk about withdrawal reflexes, and then we’ll release part two, which is primitive reflexes and our final third part of the series is postural reflexes. So get ready and take some notes, share the podcast with your friends and people who are needing to know, and let’s get started. Cathy Meehan: Hey everyone and welcome to today’s episode. Like we talked about, this is part one of our three part series, Reflexes, the Hidden Blueprint of Brain Development. And who better to tell us all about reflexes and what we need to know is Dr. Laura Hanson. Dr. Laura, thank you for joining us today. Dr. Laura Hanson: It’s always a pleasure. This is probably one of my favorite topics. So I’m happy to share some information with your audience. Cathy Meehan: That is great. Really, we just really need to start from the very beginning and talking about reflexes. And like I said, you are the best person to give us this information and let’s really start. Why do reflexes matter in the first place? Dr. Laura Hanson: This is actually the beginning of the wiring of Baby Human. I can remember a long time ago when I first got this concept, and it’ll be about our third part that we get to, postural reflexes. And I said, well, wait a minute. If posture is out there, what comes before that? And then it leads you to, well, what comes before that? And reflexes are literally the earliest connections for baby human. So a lot of talk is out there about sensorimotor. Reflexes precede sensorimotor. In fact, when you’re a baby inside the womb and you’re reflexively moving and moving different body parts, you’re actually setting up what will become the sensorimotor cortex. On top of your brain. So always think of it. I love to talk about reflexes or development from this idea of dominoes. You know, people build those beautiful abstract pieces of dominoes and then it only takes one little push and the whole thing comes down. Imagine what it would be like if one of those dominoes was actually out of place. The Cathy Meehan: Yeah, a great visual. Dr. Laura Hanson: Information or the force would stop and then you could push it again but there would always be that piece taken out. So reflexes are that idea that are often overlooked thought that you know they come in they do something they go away and you never need them again but you do. You need them to build the appropriate circuits. They all have different timelines, but even to kind of put some context into it, if something happened to you or me, we would go back into our brainstem and we would begin to relearn movement patterns, reaction to things in the environment. Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Dr. Laura Hanson: Because it’s the rudimentary place of all learning. So I remember back around 2004, my mom had a stroke and I was working on her body one day, her left arm, and she had a right-sided stroke. So the left side of the body would have been impacted. And I remember getting in over her hand and literally she went right into a palmar reflex. So remember when babies are just little bitty babies. Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Dr. Laura Hanson: And you put your finger into their hand, they just reflexively, yes. So you go back into these in various parts of time because it’s a way that the central nervous system actually knows how to learn. So go ahead. Cathy Meehan: Did the little grip. Mm-hmm. Cathy Meehan: It’s so amazing. I just want to stop right there because that is so amazing when you think about just how important early, early development is. It’s not after the baby’s born. We are talking such early development in those basic little steps. It’s so important. Dr. Laura Hanson: No! Dr. Laura Hanson: Well, Bruce Lipton actually talks about whatever’s going on with mom and dad a few weeks before conception will also shape conception. And he termed the phrase conscious parenting. We’ve got to be aware of what it is that we’re doing before we ever conceive these babies because Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Dr. Laura Hanson: It starts immediately the shaping of their central nervous system. Cathy Meehan: Which we could go into a whole other segment about prenatal care before you even conceive. So yeah, yeah. But the reflexes part, just the neurodevelopment of the little tiny, little tiny baby. Yes, we’ll continue with that and keep educating us. Dr. Laura Hanson: Yeah. Dr. Laura Hanson: Yeah, that’s a big one too. Absolutely. Dr. Laura Hanson: Okay, so this is the one, the first part is actually called the withdrawal reflexes. So that’s what we’re going to focus on here in part one. I personally think this is one that many different therapists are really not trained in. Over the years, I will ask parents, well, did you do the withdrawal reflexes? And they go, I don’t know what that is. And then they’ll ask the person that they were working with. Cathy Meehan: Okay. Dr. Laura Hanson: Did you do the withdrawal reflexes? And they go, I don’t know what that is. So the very first thing that baby human learns is how to defend itself.
Dr. Bob Sears on Vaccine Safety, Medical Freedom & Facing the Medical Board
Cathy Meehan: Welcome to this edition of the The Meehan Mission Podcast. This is where faith, science, truth, and health intersect. And I like to introduce you to the movers and shakers in the world. Today’s episode, we’re joined by Dr. Bob Sears. He is a pediatrician and an author who’s been fighting for our kids and medical freedom for quite some time. We’re gonna talk about his books, how he sees the future of medical freedom, and just what we can do to share our information with parents so they’re informed too. So let’s get started. Cathy Meehan: Well, hello everyone and thanks for joining us. I’m Cathy Meehan and on today’s episode, I have the marvelous Dr. Bob Sears. Hello, Dr. Sears. Dr. Bob Sears: Hello, Kathy. I’m super happy to be on your show. Thanks for inviting me in. Cathy Meehan: Hey, you bet. And so listen, what I wanted to do was I’ve recently been introduced to you. I think we met at MAPS last year. And then more recently, I got to know you from the Physicians for Informed Consent meeting we had over in California. And I was just so excited because I’ve heard your name a lot. You have been fighting for our children, for quite a while and you are one of those doctors that I call a mover and a shaker. You’re not afraid to share your opinion and you are not afraid to tell the truth, right? So what I wanted to do is bring you onto our audience so they could get to know you if they didn’t already know you and then also talk about some of the great exciting things that you write about to help educate other parents and people wanting to know more information. So to get started, I’d like to hand the microphone over to you. And if you could give us kind of like a little background on not, doesn’t have to be like three days long, but a background on, you know, how did you get into pediatrics and what made you the disruptor that you are? Dr. Bob Sears: How long is your show? No, I’ll give you the two minute version. You know, my dad is a pediatrician and so I kind of always grew up, you know, watching him enjoy what he does. And he told me, you know, Bob, if you can go into business for yourself and not have a boss, then that’s a great way to make a living. And so I, listened to him. And I, you know, in medical school, I was just really drawn towards pediatrics because I love working with kids. But I also found I really like working with parents and there’s sort of jokes that go around in medical school and in pediatrics that the parents are like, you know, the big problem and no one likes dealing with parents. But I love dealing with parents and because I was a parent too by that time. And so I think having my own kids really allowed me to. empathize with my patients. And so I loved pediatrics and so I went to medical school, a pediatric residency, and then I joined my dad’s practice here in Southern California in 1998. I never looked back. And the whole vaccine thing kind of… It came my way, because in Georgetown, where I went to medical school, I was trained that vaccines are great. And I actually used to think that they were great and that they were totally harmless for everybody. But at Georgetown, I got exposed to a book that a friend of mine made me read. And my wife and I needed a place to stay. And we had our baby and we were essentially homeless looking for an apartment around or somewhere to stay. And a friend of mine said, well, you can stay in our apartment, in our house, as long as you read this book. And that book has since become much more popular. But back then it was a very obscure book. It was called A Shot in the Dark. And it was written by Barbara Lowe Fisher, who started NVIC, the National Vaccine Information Center that we all know now. And of course, Candace Owens did a special called A Shot in the Dark. And I think that was a tribute to this original book that really this book is what shone the spotlight on vaccine reactions. And I read that book, it opened my eyes. And once you read the science on vaccine reactions, you can’t forget it. Cathy Meehan: Yes, her series. Dr. Bob Sears: And the science was very solid, even back in the early 90s when I was reading this information. So that’s what got me started on this. Cathy Meehan: So it was interesting. So it was kind of like a give and a take. I’ll give you some room if you read this book. And, you know, I find that really interesting because there so many pediatricians out there today that we present the material or we’re just like, just look into some of the research or the lack of research and they won’t even look at it. I mean, how do we break that cycle? with physicians when we’re just trying to get the information to them. How do we break it? Dr. Bob Sears: Yeah, you know, Kathy, honestly, I don’t think you break this cycle with currently practicing pediatricians, especially if they’ve been in practice for a number of years. I just don’t think they’re open minded. I read this book, Kicking and Screaming. Like my wife told me, you know, you got to read this book. And I’m like, I’m a doctor, you know, why do I need to read this book? Literally, you know, and And but I did it, you know, for my family and I’m very glad I did. And
Survivor 42’s Tori Stanley on Casting, Behind-the-Scenes Secrets & Life After the Show
Cathy Meehan: Have you ever had just the biggest goal, the wildest dream? Well, today’s guest on The Meehan Mission Podcast is Tori Stanley from Survivor Season 42 of Survivor. Yep, the reality TV show Survivor where they put a bunch of people on an island and vote them off. Sounds crazy, but it actually happens. Survivor 50 is about to kick off. Well, I wanted to introduce everyone to Tori where she’s going to share some of the things that she had to go through. I mean, the girl ate a lizard, people. She ate a lizard while she was on this island. I cannot believe she did that, but it takes grit. It takes strength. It takes this mental capacity that most of us don’t have. She’s also going to provide us some of the really great information that she’s learned from, you know, what do you do after you’ve accomplished the biggest goal of your life? How does that reflect into what you do day to day? I hope you enjoy the show. I think you’ll like her. I know I love her. So let’s get started. Cathy Meehan: Hey everyone, today’s episode of the Meehan Mission podcast, I’m bringing on a special guest that you might be thinking, what? A reality TV star? Well, we’ve got her. It is Tori Stanley from Survivor Season 42. Hey Tori, how are you? Tori Stanley: Hello, I’m good. Excited to talk all things Survivor. Cathy Meehan: I think that’s great. Well, because I heard that season 50 is actually coming out this February. So I thought, hey, I can use some of my connections, find somebody that’s been on a Survivor episode before, and just introduce you to the audience. Because, you know, there’s a lot of behind the scenes stuff that happens on Survivor. And, you know, we watch, we think it’s all glamorous and fun and exciting, but so much happens behind the scenes, but I want to start with why in the world did you apply for Survivor in the first place? Tori Stanley: That’s a good question, because it is crazy. Like it is real what you see too. Like we really are living on a deserted island. Like it’s not a fake reality show. Like we’re doing all those hard things. And there was something about that that was so alluring to me. I think it’s that like ultimate sense of adventure. And I was kind of primed to be a Survivor fan because I come from a whole family of Survivor lovers. So like, I think the first season came out and I actually was able to watch it with my family. It’s now about to be 50 seasons. So I was like, okay, as long as it’s on long enough for me to have a chance to apply. And I ended up applying like over six years multiple times just because I wanted to be on it so bad. And it’s just such a good family show. And I remember every single week, like that is the show that my family was sat in front of the TV. My brothers and sisters, we weren’t fighting with each other as much as usual. And we were actually able to enjoy it. I even remember we would eat meals of like white rice and mandarin oranges because those would symbolize grubs. Cause sometimes you would eat gross things on survivor like grubs. And so really it wasn’t just like my dream, but it really was my family’s dream. In fact, a really fun fact is I’m actually not the first person in my family to audition for survivor. My mom actually auditioned for survivor. It would have now been like 20 years ago. So tell them about it, mom. Cathy Meehan: Hmm. Well, so everybody, if you haven’t guessed yet, Tori is my daughter. She is the middle of five kiddos and she will talk about being competitive in a minute. But okay, it’s a fact. I did audition for Survivor 20+ years ago. If you’re lucky, you can find the clip somewhere. I don’t know. I hope it’s been like buried deep like a treasure. No! Tori Stanley: On my YouTube channel. Cathy Meehan: Okay, this show’s about you, Tori. But yeah, Survivor was a huge part of our family. I mean, and not only that, but let’s talk, Tori, about growing up in the Meehan household and, you know, really what shaped your competitiveness? Because you are, well, all of the kids are competitive, but, you know, you are very competitive and you are very goal-oriented. How’d that happen? Tori Stanley: Right, right. So it is fun. Like I’m a therapist now, so I love psychoanalyzing myself. And like the stigma for a middle child is often that of like an overachiever. You know, you could also get like the black sheep of the family. There’s also some overachieving. And for me, it is definitely the overachieving. Now I really do not think that that came from me feeling like neglected or overlooked in childhood. Like that’s really not my story as a middle child. But I also do think I have to give credit to my parents who I just always saw like my mom genuinely was super woman. Like she was raising five kids. She is the most patient person I’ve ever met. Like seriously such an, like genuinely the best mom that I’ve ever seen. And I’m not just saying that even though I might be biased. And then like my dad, an amazing doctor, so creative, so intelligent. Like anything that I saw my parents wanting to do. They were able to make it happen. And so I think if you look at me and all my siblings, I mean, I’m really proud of all of us, honestly. There’s no deadbeat in the family. And so I think we just all had this idea growing up, they’re
Vaccine Mandates, Medical Freedom & the AAP Lawsuit with Pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas
Cathy Meehan: Well, there’s been a lot happening in the world of medical freedom. And in particular, the American Academy of Pediatrics has been hit by a lawsuit. And it’s not a normal regular lawsuit. This is a RICO lawsuit. Now this is a very serious and it involves racketeering. and they are no longer going to be able to make these false claims that they’ve been making to parents and pediatricians alike. Today’s show has the beloved Dr. Paul Thomas, the author of The Vaccine Friendly Plan to help open up your eyes, and then the author of Vax Facts, where you can dig into the truth. So sit back, take some notes, and let’s get started. Cathy Meehan: Hello everyone and welcome to the Me Hand Mission podcast. And if you can see, I have the world’s favorite pediatrician, Dr. Paul Thomas. Thank you for joining us today. Dr. Paul Thomas: Thanks, Kathy. It’s my privilege and honor to join you today. Cathy Meehan: You bet. You know, we do go back a few years. We met up at medical freedom groups and you have just, you and Dee Dee have just become dear to my heart and for the clinic. And we love and appreciate all that you do and that you risk for the sake of our children. And you have been busy lately, very busy. Yeah. Can you? Dr. Paul Thomas: It looks that way. have to give some of that credit to Rick Jaffe. He’s the attorney from California who I always knew he was supportive, but he had never really grabbed hold of the reins and just run with it. And he’s done this twice now, right? I’m part of a lawsuit that he’s put together against the CDC that’s still moving through the system and basically that lawsuit was that all vaccines should be shared decision-making. So it’s a sort of a workaround to get to what we’ve really always said we all agree on is that there should be no vaccine mandates, right? mean, parents should be allowed to decide what goes into their child’s body, period. There should not be, well, these are recommended, but… Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Dr. Paul Thomas: You can’t go to school if you don’t get them. And then the schools don’t tell parents the truth that they actually have an exemption in all but five states. So the hope is that lawsuit will prompt RFK Jr. and the CDC HHS to do the right thing, which is just get rid of mandates. And hopefully that will still happen. So that was the purpose of that. Right. Cathy Meehan: Right, right. So, you know, recently the CDC did reduce the number of vaccinations from like over 80 to down to around 30. So do you think that that lawsuit had anything to do with the CDC turning around and, you know, reducing the number of vaccines recommended? Dr. Paul Thomas: Who knows? I mean, that was actually the hope. You know, we weren’t anticipating it’s a lawsuit we’re necessarily gonna win, but it’s a lawsuit that sort of puts it out there that, look, this is the right way to go. And so they can electively pivot, which they’ve done, whether they were gonna do it anyway, I don’t know. But I’m really happy to see we’ve nudged in that direction. So that’s a very good thing. Cathy Meehan: Yeah, I think that’s great. Well, what’s interesting is that, you know, we always say, show me the science when it comes to the vaccinations and the safe and effective and everything. And it seems like in retaliation to the lawsuit against the CDC, the AAP, American Academy of Pediatrics, just turned around and decided to sue the government. mean, it’s so everybody’s lawyering up is what it seems to be doing. It’s just, you Dr. Paul Thomas: Right. Right. Cathy Meehan: trying to fight this in the legal system, which we’ll see where that goes. But I also wanted to touch on briefly for those of the audience that don’t know you, you know, you are a doctor that has never been afraid to challenge the system. And I really want to credit you for, you know, I mean, you started with one of your books was the Vaccine Friendly Plan. And that really was, I imagine, designed to just kind of like introduce the idea of, maybe we don’t need all these vaccines. Where did you come up with that idea in the first place? Dr. Paul Thomas: Right? Well, in 2002 or three, I sort of had my eyes opened. had read the Andy Wakefield paper that wrongfully was ultimately retracted and he was demonized wrongfully. But anyway, that paper simply said there might be an issue with the MMR vaccine and autism. We need to look into this. I mean, it was just a case report. No big deal. Actually, very big deal because it planted the seed. Huh. I mean, I was… raised, if you will, my medical education was mainstream and taught and would, you know, it’s interesting. We teach what we have been taught, right? So in medicine, have to see one, see one, do one, teach one. And I mean, you would do that over and over again with even complicated surgical procedures. You see one, you do one, and then you’re teaching it. But very rarely did we have time to go back and really do a deep dive into the science and see if what we were being taught. Cathy Meehan: Mmm, true. Dr. Paul Thomas: actually was backed up by good science. in the vaccine, right, right. You accept it. You’re in training. Yeah. So I woke up in the early two thousands, like, my gosh, things aren’t as we’re being told. Vaccines are not quote safe and effective. That’s a marketing slogan. Every pharmaceutical product has risks. Vaccines. It became clear to me
Medical Freedom, Informed Consent & Vaccine Mandates with Attorney Aaron Siri
Cathy Meehan: Okay, wow. You guys are in for a treat with my special guest today on the Meehan Mission podcast. This guy is so special that I am reading from a list of his accomplishments. Okay, so see if you can guess who this is. Well, first, he’s the managing partner of Siri and Glimstad, which is a national law firm with over 100 legal professionals. that are handling civil rights, class actions, and complex litigation. He has led litigation to compel federal agencies, FDA, to release vaccine licensure documents related to the COVID-19 vaccines. He’s challenged federal and state medical mandates. He’s restored vaccine exemptions, including for the US military members. He’s deposed leading immunologist, pediatricians, and vaccinologists, and he’s the author of Vaccines, Amen. Not only that, he is regularly interviewed on national television and quoted quite often in print media. And today, he is my special guest. Please welcome Aaron Siri. Cathy Meehan: Well, hello everyone and welcome to this very special edition of the Meehan Mission podcast. And if you can’t tell, I’m a little emotional. I knew this was going to be hard. My guest, if you can see, is Aaron Siri. And you know, I’ll tell you why it’s emotional because one of my most vivid memories of Jim was when he got his first phone call from you to talk about some projects and what you guys could do to save our babies and help our children. And I just remember that call because he was so excited. And just to think of how far we’ve come and what we’re doing now. okay. Thank you for being my special guest, Aaron Siri. Thank you so, so much. You know, I just, you guys that are the movers and shakers in this fight for medical freedom, you know, you guys are built differently. And what is it, when did you realize, Aaron, that… You were built differently. I mean, from your peers. I mean, you have to have a faith or a courage or a boldness. I mean, or the fight for justice. When did you know you had that in you? Aaron Siri: I don’t know. I think I take it day by day. But I’ll tell you somebody who I never saw waver and was was an incredible fighter. That was Jim. I will tell you one of the first I’ll say the first time I met Jim. And Jim would be proud of what you’ve continued to do in his memory and legacy was I was invited to a a meeting in Manhattan, I think with a number of folks regarding this issue, regarding medical freedom. And Mary Holland, I think, arranged the meeting, and it was at NYU. And there was a bunch of important folks to influence, let’s put it that way. And I show up. And Jim’s sitting at a table. Never met him before. No idea who he is. Didn’t know he’s a doctor. And this is many years ago. This was like a long time ago. And there were some other doctors there and they started saying some stuff. And Jim just like leaned across the table and gave them a thrashing that I will never forget. I mean, he just unloaded. I remember thinking like, whoa, where did this guy come from? This is incredible. So, I’ll never forget that meeting. In fact, I would say that it’s definitely been part of the inspiration about living your convictions. And Jim talked about that, as you know, and he talked to me about that. You know, my my interaction with him often just the two of us, I don’t know what he said to others often, but, you know, he would say, like, like, you got to do what you believe, you got to live your convictions, only have one life, you know, if you’re gonna not live your convictions, and what kind of life you’re living. I mean, that’s, that’s to sum it up, essentially. So anyway, you know, it Cathy Meehan: Absolutely. Aaron Siri: I will also say that it also takes having somebody at your side who also makes sure you’re always doing the right thing too and guided in that way. And I would say that, you know, it’s, and for some, you know, certainly faith is an important part of it. Everybody’s got to be thankful to somebody. Everything didn’t come from nowhere. And then, Cathy Meehan: Yeah, it really does. Cathy Meehan: Absolutely. Aaron Siri: And then also, think, you your spouse, it’s really important. And I will tell you, my wife often is uncompromised in terms of what’s right. And she will, you know, nudge me along. So all of those things help. Cathy Meehan: Yeah, that’s all great. Yeah. Well, you know, mean, Jim and I were a team. I used to always say that he’d go in and, well, I don’t know if I can say this, but I’ll say he’d go in and throw crap everywhere. And then I’d come in with the toilet paper and clean up everything. He was the big voice out there. you know, when I’m just thankful that God has given me resources and a team and people just to carry on what we had started because, we still, we’ve come so far, but we still have so much further to go. And so for some of the people that are listening in my audience and they might not know, I mean, how in the world did you get associated into medical freedom? And I know we don’t have forever. So just give us the brief bio on how you chose this path and why you’re here. Aaron Siri: Well, not something I ever thought about when I went to Berkeley for law school. Not something I imagined when I clerked for the chief judge of the Supreme Court of Israel for a year after law school. Not