Cathy Meehan: I love to interview movers and shakers and today’s guest is someone who’s been at the center of some of the most controversial conversations in public health and media. He is an Emmy Award-winning producer and investigative journalist. He has spent years challenging the mainstream narratives. He advocates for transparency, informed consent, and open debate in science and medicine. I’m joined by Del Bigtree. He’s the creator and host of The HighWire and the must-see documentaries, Vaxxed and An Inconvenient Study. I want to welcome you all to the Meehan Mission podcast where we explore the intersection of faith, science, truth and health and who better than Del Bigtree to join in our conversation. So let’s get started and let’s welcome Del to the show.
Cathy Meehan: Well, everyone, today I have the man, the myth, the legend, Del Bigtree. Del, thank you so much for joining me today. It’s great to have you.
Del Bigtree: It’s great to be here, Cathy. I’m looking forward to this.
Cathy Meehan: Good, good, good. I know that we’ve both been flying all around the states, you all the time. And I just really take this opportunity to thank you for all that you have done and all that you will continue to do to help educate the people, just being the brave person that you are and spreading that braveness to everyone else. So let’s start with that, Del, because you are brave and you don’t step down.
Del Bigtree: Okay.
Cathy Meehan: So what is it that sparked that personality or that character trait that you have of never giving up, of always telling the truth? I mean, were you born that way or did your mama teach it to you?
Del Bigtree: I mean, you know, that’s that’s probably the biggest question I grapple really honestly you know nature versus nurture. I do wonder what I am you know is just a natural being would I have had ethics or morals or things, if I hadn’t had parents, my mom especially, that were very very committed to raising children and.
Cathy Meehan: you
Del Bigtree: in a very specific way. My mom knew she was raising us different than anyone she’d ever met before. you know, was sort of, I think my mom and dad were on a really powerful, you know, spiritual trip coming out of the 60s. You know, they’re hippies, not like the drug hippies, but more like the political activists. And apparently there were different things, which is interesting. I don’t think a lot of people know that. They were getting deep into some spiritual work, a lot of dream interpretation, Bible reading, and they raised us to believe we could change, that not just we could change the world, that we were here to change the world. And so, you know, I’ve said it, you know, I gave a talk in San Diego at Tracy Slepcevic’s event, Autism Health Summit, and
Cathy Meehan: good.
Del Bigtree: you know up until Vaxxed there’s a lot of cool things that happened in my life and I did, I was in theater in New York, I was into performing I, you know, got the Broadway touring company and Hair, the musical sort of ironically to play a hippie like the parents had grown up with. But I always had and you know I won an Emmy Award on The Doctors, but I always had this this hole I couldn’t quite fill that I really. I just had this profound sense that I hadn’t found my calling and was even doing, you know, there was a men’s group in California where a great Native American guy was doing sweat lodges and we would all sweat together once a month and pray and chant. you know, I every my prayer was the same every time. Like, I want to find that thing I’m supposed to be doing. And I’m sure, I’m so completely sure it was Vaxxed. I mean, when I, you know, through all the miracles that I told, it was a lot of fun to tell that story. So many beautiful details, but the moment I sat and finally saw this documentary and sitting in Andy Wakefield’s basement, I had a really, just a unique thought, which is not only am I qualified to make the adjustments to this film that it needs, I actually thought given how I was raised, the work I’d done on The Doctors, how many people have made science into entertainment. There was probably about 15 total, the team working on Dr. Oz and the team working on The Doctors and I was on The Doctors. and then I would have understood this topic. So yeah, I felt like of all the people in the world, I’m the single most qualified person for this one very specific task, which was a… a life passing before your eyes moment that I still grapple with, is it seemed like every failure and every success, the ones I cried about, like I didn’t end up being Steven Spielberg, the filmmaker I thought I was going to be. And it just seemed like everything was designing me for this moment. I truly felt like God had been preparing me.
Cathy Meehan: Thank
Del Bigtree: And so the other biggest question is, people say, how’d you get where you are? Kids will come up, you know, I’m getting the film or theater or whatever, you know, how do you get success? And, you know, I honestly wonder, was there any other door to a successful life that I somehow walked past or missed? Or were all those missed opportunities, like they had to be missed?
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: because there was one thing I was here to do. don’t know. That’s why I really contemplate that a lot.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, well, I feel you because, I mean, who ever thought I’d be doing a podcast or running a clinic or, you know, taking over, you know, the legacy that Jim had built. And yet, as I look back and I see like all these little stepping stones, if you want to call it the things that God presented and the doors that were open, the doors that were closed. And I think I don’t.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: We won’t ever really know what our final plan is until the very last day. We will not know. But I know the plan that you are on is working. It’s definitely working. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: It’s working and I’m having fun. I mean, and I’m having I’m really enjoying myself. So, you know, that’s about the only test you have. Right. I always say to people, are you happy? Like if they’re talking about what they’re doing, are you filled with joy? Because if not, you know, I’ve got to believe we’re all we’re all have the same birthright. Right. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. So, you know.
Cathy Meehan: Yes. Hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yes we do. Absolutely, and I encourage people you get to find your purpose and you wake up every morning and you ask God to direct your feet, give you wisdom, give you discernment and you walk in that direction and then he might turn you to another direction or introduce you to another contact or something like that. But you’re right, have fun doing it. Have joy. Create the community, which, you know, really Vaxxed. Vaxxed is what changed my life. It changed Jim’s life. you know, he was already kind of a critical thinker. So he knew that there was something wrong with the whole childhood vaccination schedule. And so when Vaxxed came out and I, you know, I remember Del in the theater, we were in Oklahoma City. And when the movie ended, it was just dead silence. Nobody said anything. And it was like, I…
Del Bigtree: Mmm.
Cathy Meehan: that sparked so many things for so many people. And that’s really what, know, Jim was like, I’m not going to be silent anymore. And we need to get out and tell the message. did you ever think, because now Vaxxed’s 10-year anniversary. I can’t believe that 10 years. Did you.
Del Bigtree: Yeah. Yeah, I know. April 1st, this month, April 1st, our first screening in Angelika Film Center in New York.
Cathy Meehan: Did you have any idea, any idea that you would create this momentous movement that’s not even close to stopping?
Del Bigtree: Well, first of all, I was only a vessel. I still watch that film every once in a while. Someone will have it, you know, pull it out or go to an event where they’re showing it. And I’m in awe every time I watch it. I have the same thought I had when we really had finally locked the picture. I told the story how we’d run out of time. It was we were being, you know, we had an opening night date and there was just no more futzing with it. But I watched the last version of it and I just thought who made that film? Because that is better than any of the three people that I sat in the room with while we made it. That’s better than any of us were capable of something really special has happened there. think that, you know, it’s a bit like they talk about sculpting, right? The sculpture is always there. All you did was pull the stone out of the way that was in the way.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Del Bigtree: I think that’s what great art is. So it’s really hard to take credit for it. Obviously we were the ones that allowed that to come through. But I will say, yes, when I sat, first of all, I mean, I told the story, there were like biblical-sized miracles happening in my life that even put me in the room to be looking at that documentary upon a direct request and prayer. to be involved in this whistleblower story I was seeing. I had no idea there was already a documentary and then it just came to me. So I really felt like, you know, God’s hand was already really heavy on my shoulder. But when I watched it, I just thought this movie is going to change everything. This is going to be big. I didn’t know what that meant.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: I didn’t have an image of it. didn’t know it would be a movement. I just thought this is if I do what I can do with this, this is going to be a big deal. And it was kind of very general like that. know, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go to thehighwire.com. Go hit hit the little hamburger search and get in the search and just type in Vaxxed and watch it for free.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s a big deal. And if anybody hasn’t seen Vaxxed yet, start there. Start there. Yes.
Del Bigtree: It’s still an amazing movie.
Cathy Meehan: Start there. Yeah. So from Vaxxed, is that where The HighWire came in? Because I heard, did it start in a closet in California when you started The HighWire? Tell me a little bit about the very beginnings of The HighWire. I also, so, I mean, you were such a superhero in this, in this field, in this area, because I send people to Vaxxed, I send people to The HighWire. And then we’ll briefly, we’ll touch on An Inconvenient Study in a little bit too. those are, I mean, those are so powerful. What made you decide to do The HighWire? Because that was genius. That really was genius what you did.
Del Bigtree: Yeah, I I really want to… credit somebody else, Tony Sweet. It was his idea. Let me explain. We had just, I started ICAN. ICAN was really a product of having met Aaron Siri and realizing that there was going to be a legal way to get into courtrooms. And that was the only way we were going to get the evidence and science that was being hidden from us. How do I pry it out of the government’s hands? since they’re giving liability protection. This whole thing is such a sham. You know, I know it’s a house of cards, but I cannot get to the foundation of it. So when I met Aaron, that was a miracle. Another just as big, you know, tectonic plate shifting miracle, you know. So that was just going to be a nonprofit. We were going to do legal work and I was going to continue just flying around and do more legislation.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, Aaron is.
Del Bigtree: and talking to legislators to try and get legislation changes to happen. the one of the primary sponsors that it sponsored back loved the legal approach. And so I, you know, I would do podcasts and be on any one show or try to get on the news. And I happened to be on a pod. I don’t remember which podcast. It’d be fun to go back. Probably be important for a book someday. But I was on some podcasts and there was this podcasting studio. At, uh, I was at, I, The Doctors had been at Paramount Studios, but just up the street, um, I’m trying to remember was a Warner studio, but anyway, there was a studio lot there, but this guy had rented out this whole area and he had like six podcasting studios. And so this person was just, you know, they had the cameras all pre-set up, but they were like little closets. They were just like these little closets, a couple of little lights and maybe one or two cameras.
Cathy Meehan: show.
Del Bigtree: I did this interview with this woman and I got down and I was leaving and the owner of the podcasting studio, Tony Sweet said, Hey, you were fantastic. You, you should, do you have a podcast? No. You know, it’s like, Oh, you should do your own podcast. And, uh, I was like, Oh, thank you. You know, as a compliment. And I went to walk out the door and he blocked the door and he said, no, I am, I’m not kidding. I mean, like, I’m so serious about this. I’m not going to let you leave until you pick a time to try doing a podcast here. In fact, he’s like, I’ll take on all the costs. I’m not going to charge you. I want you to see what you can do here. And he had, it was almost like a TV Guide. It had like five rooms and then the dates and then the time, like all in a grid.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: And there’s only a few open spots. He was doing pretty good. And I just, saw Thursday at 11 AM. It was in Pacific. was like, all right, I’ll try that Thursday slot right there. He’s like, great. I’ll see you next Thursday. And, that’s how it happened. It was just totally accidental. I decided, well, I don’t know what I’ll talk about. So I just thought my wife has been in the shadows through all of this Vaxxed stuff. Why don’t I interview her? So I had her on.
Cathy Meehan: my.
Del Bigtree: my COO, Catharine Layton, for the nonprofit we’d started for legal work was trying to like, just to get together a script. And I think she grabbed her husband, Patrick and said, Hey, we need, you know, we need someone to sort of handle the tech side. And, the very first one I did, I suddenly was like, I should have done this a long time ago. and then the second week. Then I was like, I want to do a real, that was great with my wife. That was awesome people. And there was like, you know, a couple of hundred people watching. It was great. And then the next week I got, I wanted to get more. was like, well, I’m going to do this. Let’s get controversial. So I brought on Tony Muhammad, the head of the California chapter of the, nation of Islam, who had also stood with us on this vaccine issue, several times. he came on and then we had a thousand people watching, you know? And so it kind of went like, but Then we were just off and running and I haven’t missed a Thursday since. So that was early 2017. And, just like a lot of things was just sort of handed to me at exactly the right time. We, we didn’t know how we were going to get the public to understand the lawsuits that we were winning because the media wasn’t going to cover it. And The HighWire just seemed like a perfect tool. So it was just one camera.
Cathy Meehan: No. No. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: True.
Del Bigtree: The walls were just a little bit further than I could spread my arms out. And we, you know, had a little banner that we made that went behind me that said The HighWire. I remember we’re trying to think of a name and, uh, you know, I like, you know, wire, like the wire is always a news thing. Like daily wire had a thing and blah, blah. And then I just thought The HighWire sounds cool. And I was driving and I didn’t know why I just like, I think The HighWireless, you know, The HighWire. And I’m driving in and we want a slogan and I said, high above the circus of mainstream news, know, death-defying talk, The HighWire, you know? So, and it just came to me. It’s a little risky up there, yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mmm.
Cathy Meehan: Perfect. Yes. Yes. It’s a little risky up there. Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. my that’s crazy because just again, I always point people. I’m like we’re central time. So it’s every Thursday one o’clock and and if you can’t make that then you know, it’s recorded and go to thehighwire.com. So I mean, you know people if you would have been watching The HighWire during COVID, you would have known all about.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: So yeah.
Cathy Meehan: and you would have known everything that we know. So it’s because you guys, you dig, you find the truth, you present it, you ease the fear so that people don’t need to fear things. And you stay on top of things and you educate, which is so important. So I don’t want to get too sentimental here, but my dear husband, Jim Meehan, guest hosted your show.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: I think he’s the, I believe, have we ever had, besides Jefferey, besides who was not already on the team, I think Jim’s the only guy that we ever had guests host the show. Truth is, I was grooming him by the way, was grooming him for his own show. I don’t know if I ever told him that, but there wasn’t a better speaker out there. There isn’t, I mean, you wanna talk about a warrior.
Cathy Meehan: He’s the only one besides, besides Jefferey. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: yeah, he let everybody know. Yeah, he let everybody know.
Cathy Meehan: Well, he knew he… Yeah.
Del Bigtree: just a true brother. A lot of this has felt like a war and there’s very few people like, know, it’s sort of like Braveheart that you’re like just laying there, you know, broken and beaten and sweating and I just always felt, I still do feel Jim with me in that fight.
Cathy Meehan: It is a war.
Cathy Meehan: I’m
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, he’s yeah, he’s with me every single every single day. He’s in my photos and he’s there every single day. And I just know, you know, that was his bucket list to do that. And I thank you so much for, you know, filling that bucket of his because he was very he was very proud of that. He loved you like a brother. And so we won’t stay too much on that. But let’s let’s talk.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: Well, I look, I think it’s important to think, to realize we don’t know how long we’re here. And it’s a huge part of how I approach my day. Like, I really don’t have some expectation that I get a long life. Sometimes I wonder if I just, if it’s going to be cut short simply because I’m so inspired to get so much done every day. Like, what is my
Cathy Meehan: yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: You know, what is that fire? It burns like a fire for me. So only only, you know, only God decides that. Like everyone will say, are you are you afraid for your life? No, God. God’s going to decide what my last day is. I just want to make sure I did everything that day that I could. And, you know, so that’s.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yes. And Love everybody that you encounter. Love everybody that you encounter. Because that’s the big thing is, and that’s how we’re going to get through this. That’s, know, which we’ve said how many times.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: Yeah. Well, look, I took that to another level, even the talk I gave, like I said, the people that, you know, I went through all the people that if any one of them had said no, Vaxxed may not have been made. And two of them, one was Senator Richard Pan, who, you know, who brought SB 277. Without him, I don’t know that I’m here. I think I might have I might have just sort of stayed.
Cathy Meehan: Love that guy.
Del Bigtree: you know, with my cushy little Emmy Award winning career and gone that direction. But he came after me, came after my kid. We weren’t vaccinated. It wasn’t something I talked about. We were just a small, a quiet group of people living our lives, you know, our way. But when he decided I’m going to take that life away from you, he unearthed the monster. And frankly, I’ll still say this to all the people out there that fight us. If you want us to go away.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Del Bigtree: take away mandates, let everyone decide what they want to do. And then I will move on to other things. You are making me tell everyone why I don’t vaccinate. You are making me talk about the science because you’re attacking my way of life. So, but I celebrate Senator Pan. I celebrated Jane Rosenthal for kicking Vaxxed out of Tribeca because if she hadn’t done that.
Cathy Meehan: Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Right. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: We wouldn’t have gotten, you know, a billion dollars in free press across the world, which literally went on for a year. So it made, it was sold out audiences. That is what, you know, we couldn’t have afforded any advertising. instead Vaxxed was mentioned in headlines every other day in every major newspaper in the world. So thank you, Jane. Couldn’t have done it without, I’d give her a big bear hug if I got to.
Cathy Meehan: priceless.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Yes. And Senator Pan. Yes. Well, it’s just it’s just crazy how this like rolls into it rolls. It rolled into the Vaxxed bus. I mean, another marketing tool that you would have never gone from theater to theater and interviewing parents and then realizing it’s not just the MMR vaccine, it’s all these other vaccines that are causing these problems. So which is, you know, there’s that’s that God’s plan there.
Del Bigtree: Me too.
Del Bigtree: Right.
Cathy Meehan: working his way into our lives and we’re just obedient to every day.
Del Bigtree: That was really, I’ll never forget, I was sitting in airport with Polly and she said, man, we’re spending a lot of money flying to all of these screenings. I want, I want a bus. So can you imagine if we just like had a bus and we just drive around with the bus and says Vaxxed on the side of it. That was her brainstorm. And, and she made it happen. Like she, she so manifested that to happen. That it was amazing.
Cathy Meehan: Mmm.
Cathy Meehan: Good.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, it was great. Did you go through more than one bus? I mean, or did you have a couple? Yeah.
Del Bigtree: There, we should have that first bus. Now it really, there was really one Vaxxed bus and they bought a new bus to do the Vaxxed-Unvaxxed tour like two years ago or so. But no, that Vaxxed bus, we didn’t know when we bought it had been a, it had all sorts of problems. The half the side of it fell off when we were bringing it from New Orleans to Texas before we even wrapped it.
Cathy Meehan: no.
Del Bigtree: And it was a rust bucket. at one point on the road, it was crazy. We started seeing more and more of the road and the crack, like the whole shell that was attached to the chassis, all the welds were just slowly coming off so that the whole shell was about… Anyway, someone looked at it oh, this is a Katrina bus. Apparently the bus had probably been underwater for some time. We did not know that.
Cathy Meehan: I
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: so it had issues and by the grace of God, would say Patrick Layton, the bus driver and, a new, was, it was our media guy also had a bit of a knack with spark plugs and things. that it was, it was a wing and a prayer every day we were in that bus, but it held up.
Cathy Meehan: new yes
Cathy Meehan: That was great. It was really, really great. Let’s talk briefly about studies because Vaxxed obviously was about the studies from the CDC and the whistleblower. But your other project, An Inconvenient Study. Now that is another thing that I guide people and direct them to to watch that because that is pretty much the largest vaxxed versus unvaxxed study. Granted, it’s retrospective, which means they look at records.
Del Bigtree: Yeah. Well, I mean, the film has been a spectacular hit. know, we’ve it’s gotten somewhere around 100 million views worldwide, which is astounding. I have watched debates in the Australian Parliament on the other side of the world over the Henry Ford study. What’s amazing about that moment is it’s, you know,
Cathy Meehan: What’s the update on that?
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Wow.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Del Bigtree: A senator there asks about the Henry Ford study, which, you know, clearly he’s kind of on our side. So I understand why he would know about it. But the health department had an immediate answer that it hadn’t been published and all these details. And I was like, that’s Australia. The head of the health department knows about the Henry Ford study. And I reached out to that senator in Australia. was like, did you pre submit your questions? Like, no, that was live. I did not tell them what I was going to talk about. So that shows you how far and wide I think the Henry Ford study got because of that film and because of the Senator Johnson hearing. think more important than being the biggest study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated is I think it’s achieved something we may never, I hope that’s not true, but we may never see again, which is sort of the opposing position.
Cathy Meehan: Boo.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: pro-vaccine, self-proclaimed, I’m saying that because he says it himself in the hidden camera footage, in a self-proclaimed pro-vaccine institution did a vaxxed versus unvaxxed study, which says to me the only reason they’re doing it is obviously think they’re going to be able to show that the vaccine are healthier. And if there’s a bias in science and bias can affect science, which I think it does. It’s one of my, you know, beefs with science. you would have to imagine they did everything possible to get the best result for the vaccinated. They can or, you know, could. And when you then see that study, it ends up being one of the most horrifying and damning studies of the vaccine program that has ever been done. And so that is what makes that so incredibly unique and, talked about it at that, you know, I’ve been talking about is, you know, a lot of people told me stop challenging the mainstream science body to do a vaxxed versus unvaxxed study. They’ll just cheat. They’ll cheat that study. They’ll, you know, manipulate it. I think.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, but they they can’t even cheat that they can’t even the results are so conclusive. Well, I want to use that word, but they’re they’re so alarming that you you can’t even cheat it. You can’t cheat your way out of it. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: You know what, you know, after, I mean, after Vaxxed sort of toured for some time and I’ve since had the opportunity to meet with, my God, Dr. William Thompson, CDC whistleblower. Yeah. And he told me once that they were at the CDC, they were re-evaluating, you know, the,
Cathy Meehan: CDC whistleblower. Uh-huh.
Del Bigtree: the studies that he had done that we said showed this connection to autism. They were trying to manipulate it in a way to show that it didn’t show that. And and in the end, that study never came out because in Thompson’s own words, he said that data is kryptonite. And I think I think this this this has to be the problem is that.
Cathy Meehan: Mmm, yeah.
Del Bigtree: This would have been, I say it in the film, I say it everywhere I speak. The easiest study in the world really to do would be to just to compare kids that are vaccinated to those that aren’t. And if there is no study in the world that shows that the vaccinated are healthier, which is the entire purpose of that program, it’s not for lack of trying. They must have done that study a million times in databases around the world. I think the data is kryptonite. Man, just, it’s frustrating.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Yes.
Del Bigtree: how long it’s the media and the religion around this is going to block this because it is now so blatantly clear that this program is poisoning children.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah, absolutely. you know, I was, I was having this conversation with some girls yesterday and you know, they have vaccine injured children that are in their twenties. They’re in their twenties. So that’s 20 years that they’ve been fighting for truth and justice and, you know, solutions. And then I think of, and I just want to, you know, remember it was Mary Ann Puckett. her son, Stephen, I believe it’s from Oklahoma City. He’s probably in his 40s right now. That means that 40 years have gone by on this vaccination program from the government and we’re still trying to get it worked out. We’re still trying to prove that vaccines are causing, and yes, okay everybody for the disclaimer, it’s not just vaccines, but. we know that the majority of them, especially regressive autism, vaccines. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which even McCullough’s report showed that it was vaccines were the primary, you know. So, yeah.
Del Bigtree: Look, it’s a primary contributor. Let’s just say it’s a primary contributor to autism. yeah.
Del Bigtree: Yeah, yeah, if you fix that, that would bring the greatest reduction in autism over all other environmental toxicities and issues.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I mean we just we just need to work with that. you know, so also let’s talk about some of the wins that we’ve had. Some wins that we won that we had to take back. Briefly, Bobby Kennedy, who knew he’d be HHS secretary? I I mean God did right?
Del Bigtree: Mmm.
Del Bigtree: I did. I sure did not. I did know. mean, it was very, it was very similar to when you asked me about Vaxxed. You know, obviously I had a very strong, I don’t know, premonition hit. In 2020, I first asked Bobby to run for president. I had a meeting with, set up with him. I knew he going be in DC and Aaron Siri and I sat him down and said, you should run for president. It would, it would bring this into the
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah!
Del Bigtree: the limelight and he thought about it for a little while and then just, you know, got, you know, didn’t do it then it would have been for the 2020 elections. So just before that, but, uh, when he finally did decide to run, he called me and said, look, remember that idea you had? And I’ll tell you on his bad days, when things are really bad, he makes sure to blame it on me. This is your fault. This is your fault. This is your idea. Um,
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Yeah. You gotta blame somebody.
Del Bigtree: But yeah, I truly when he put his hand on that Bible swearing in his HHS secretary, one of the great honors of my life to be in the Oval Office watching that happen. it truly was just overwhelming the thought that this is bigger than anything I had ever dreamed. And I kind of put it we as far as I know had ever dreamed was possible. But the whole time we were running for president, you know,
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: yeah.
Del Bigtree: I don’t know that we knew he’d be president, but I did know it wasn’t for nothing that this was going to end in some big important way. We had too many doors opening for us to think that, again, that God’s hand wasn’t in it and God doesn’t usually fail. So was curious the whole time. We just kept saying, yes, all right, we’re not Democrats and we’re going to go independent. I guess we’re joining Donald Trump. It was just, just taking it as it comes, which I keep doing, you know, what we can talk about the rally a little bit too, but there was a very unique experience that happened on Monday that I think is another tectonic shift that has me reworking what I thought were the next moves, you know, so.
Cathy Meehan: So are you talking about The People vs. Poison? Yes, the glyphosate issue. Yes. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: Poison, yeah, the glyphosate rally. Yeah, that was an amazing rally we had because I honestly want to say, and if someone can correct this, there was almost pretty balanced Republicans and Democrats, if you will, conservatives and liberals standing side by side at the microphone on that issue. I don’t know anything else that has achieved that in the last 10 years, at least, you know, where
Cathy Meehan: great.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: that where we were able to be united on a topic, celebrate that we were sort of united. It was really a special moment. And I’m still grappling with what is, you know, how do we capitalize on that? And what does that mean? What can we do with that shift? And how important is that shift? So, yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, you know, I’ll tell you what I’m concerned about is if we go back to 1986 and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, where whatever information Reagan was fed, he signed that, gave the pharmaceutical companies, you know, an exemption from liability. And that was a slippery slope because that’s where we are now, where we’re, you know, 70 something 80 something vaccines, however you want to count them and then if President Trump signs what I call the glyphosate act to remove liability and You know, that’s a slippery slope now I do think the advantage is the media that we’ve got the podcast the independent media The willingness like you said people from both sides of the aisle are are really finally waking up
Del Bigtree: Yeah. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Where do you see this going? I mean, are we gonna are we gonna be able to stop this before? It’s too late
Del Bigtree: I mean, again, I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know. That’s in God’s hands. And look, if it gets passed, then I will say it’s God’s will. And it’s there to wake us up, like SB 277 did. we you know, I really had to. DC has really affected me and I haven’t fully come to terms with it. But I did 20 interviews, I think, with media. They don’t understand what’s going on. They’re like, wait, does this mean?
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Del Bigtree: MAHA is not going to support Trump. I said this means MAHA is a movement of the people and the politics is only, you know, an avenue through which, you know, people that want health are using. you know, I don’t think it’s aligned necessarily with the party. But I just thought, you know, the questions I get asked really, I, you know, I equate it most to being like a surfer. I’m a surfer.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm, yes.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Del Bigtree: And I get asked questions, you know, are there going to be 10 foot waves today? Like, how the hell do I know? You know what I mean? Like, all I know, all I know is I have a long board in my car. I have a short board. I have a medium board. And if there are two-foot waves, I’ll be surfing. I’ll be I’ll be surfing those two-foot waves better than anyone you’ve ever seen. And if it’s five feet or 10 feet, we we really get caught up. I think what I mean is we get caught up in the part of this we do not control.
Cathy Meehan: I don’t know.
Cathy Meehan: you
Del Bigtree: Um, you know, we don’t control what party is aligning with it. don’t, I mean, as much as it would be really convenient if this stays in like one party or one, know, but life doesn’t work that way. And so you just keep going back to the car and grabbing a better tool for the moment. And so I think that that’s, uh, that’s what I’ve done all along the way. That’s what this is. It’s, it’s really fascinating. Um, so it’s, it’s, it’s a beautiful moment. Yeah. It would be very. I wasn’t there for the 86 act. And I do know what, I mean, I have a sense of what Ronald Reagan was told. And let’s remember Barbara Loe Fisher and a bunch of injured parents were supporting it too. You know what she believed was going on. but ultimately we’re watching the exact same play. You had Ronald Reagan being told by the pharmaceutical industry, we’re going to, we’re, losing so much money from death and injury cases. can’t make a profit. So we are going to pull all of the vaccines that’ll be on your head.
Cathy Meehan: Well, and what she was told. Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Del Bigtree: Now remember the part of it no one really talks about. It wasn’t just about Reagan being worried about ending the childhood vaccine program, which is, know, even today and then we’re still considered the greatest advancement in modern health. And America was obviously a leader in that, but even more so you have to remember we were really entering the biological weapons age. We were moving out of a nuclear weapon concern and moving into a biological weapon concern. And I think the real threat was coming, and I think it was a Pentagon issue, which is if we allow them to boycott making, or stop making vaccines, or take that manufacturing somewhere else, vaccines will be the only way we’d really be able to defend ourselves against a biological attack.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yeah.
Del Bigtree: And we would have no way to ramp up, ironically, probably to warp speed of vaccine onto the market in that moment. that was a very, you know, in honesty, honestly, it would be hard to not succumb to that threat. And equally, I mean, I see what they’ve done to Trump. We will destroy every farm in America that uses glyphosate.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: That was a selling point.
Del Bigtree: by withdrawing their access to it if you don’t protect us. So we continue in America to really struggle with a too big to fail issue, meaning they can blackmail presidents and get away with it. sure, we lied about the real estate and we gave out crappy loans and lied to the world and you know.
Cathy Meehan: Right.
Del Bigtree: but you’re not bailing the citizens out or we’ll take our bank somewhere else, you’re gonna bail us out, right? And so that happened. And so it’s the same thing. We’ve allowed corporate interests to get so entrenched and so monopolized, frankly, that there’s not even a competitor to be found so that you can survive if Bayer/Monsanto walks.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Right, right. Well, so where’s the person saying just make a better product and phase out and phase things out? Just make a better product or make a safer product. I mean, that’s a big issue.
Del Bigtree: I would guess you’d have to imagine since I said it at the speech and I gave in DC, we’ve known this product causes cancer publicly since the WHO gave it the cancer rating of probably causing cancer to human beings, the second highest cancer rating there is in 2015. So it’s been 11 years they had to make a better product. I would imagine they’re at the drawing board. would imagine
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: They’re not only putting all their eggs in one basket. They’re probably working on some other totally toxic poison and figuring out how to fake the science on that so they could get that through a regulatory agency. But I think, all of these things have problems. And so I guess they’re like, now that you’re looking and now that you know how to look and now that you know how to question us, and certainly while Robert Kennedy Jr. is in there, there’s nothing we’re making is going to…
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yes, they do.
Del Bigtree: know, get through the gauntlet. So we might as well go guns blazing to protect the one that we have.
Cathy Meehan: Well, yeah, I understand that tactic and just hopefully with consumer awareness, you know, that’s where we’re going to make the difference. It’s, you know, for that. but I wanted you talking about Bobby Kennedy and because I was sitting on the plane chatting it up with a male nurse, ICU nurse who was very much, if you want to call it on our side, you know, you know. Vaccines are harmful. COVID was a scam. All this other stuff. He said, so I asked him, said, well, what do you think about Bobby Kennedy? And he said, you know, I don’t know about Bobby Kennedy. So I tried to explain the analogy that you had said, I heard recently about playing pool and the billiard balls. Will you please say that? Because that was phenomenal.
Del Bigtree: Yeah, yeah, Sure. Well, you know, I, I, you know, look at life. I’ve said this to my kids. People are like, why isn’t he doing blah, blah? Why, why, why not the vaccine? Why the food? Why the chemical dyes? Why the, you know, plastics and all these. I mean, look, by the way, let me just make this clear while we’re on record, we still have time. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has done more for the health of Americans in one year than
Cathy Meehan: yes.
Del Bigtree: every HHS secretary put together in my lifetime. I would stand by that. have watched because I’ve been reporting on it. I reported on these things at The Doctors reported on heavy metal in the baby food. That’s not a news story. There’s been, you know, there’s been five HHS secretaries that came in and left knowing that that was a problem and did nothing about it. So so he’s doing those things. But what I said, you know, and it’s sort of my I have some simple philosophies in life.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: and not doing anything. Yes.
Del Bigtree: One of them is I look at it like a game of playing pool, like let’s just call it eight ball. I’ve played with people that get really cute when they have a ball right next to the, you know, the pocket, they leave that one there, you know, and they’re going to go for the hard shot so that they got the easy one and then it’ll be set up for the eight ball. Right. So they skip the easy one, they go for the harder shot and then they miss that harder shot. And then I come back and I win. And I’ve said to my kid, Don’t get that cute with your life. Shoot the balls that you can make. Shoot the easy ones. Get all the easy ones out of the way. And you just might find after hitting one of those easy ones, the ball comes and puts itself in a really easy position on what was previously a hard shot. And that is how I would describe what Bobby’s doing. Bobby is moving the needle everywhere where it’s easy. I think the reduction down to the Denmark schedule, that’s a massive lift. that he some people are shocked didn’t give him enough credit for. But look at you saw like, why doesn’t he just wipe out the whole vaccine program? You saw what happened when he just reduced it. I mean, a lawsuit from the American Academy of Pediatrics, an activist judge takes him out, takes out ACIP. So that’s what he’s up against. And and he’s got internal conflicts. I think I think it’s pretty obvious. You know, it’s not like Bobby’s told me this, but clearly Trump has a soft spot for his warp speeded COVID vaccine.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yeah.
Del Bigtree: which is probably the most dangerous vaccine ever made. It’s really like, I mean, the first thing I would have done is got rid of that mRNA technology. Bobby’s a fraud. He’s a sellout. If that was the first thing, and let’s be really clear. If that was the first thing you had done, that would be the only day you’d have that job. Right? And so then what? You’d be gone before the ink dried. It would be erased and that vaccine wouldn’t even go anywhere. And so Bobby’s smarter than that. Let’s at least give him credit for that.
Cathy Meehan: Can’t do that!
Cathy Meehan: True, you’d be gone, you’d gone the next day. Yeah. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: So he’s going to get done what he can. You know, there’s also, I have another analogy that I learned that’s affected my whole life. I went for a gun training. Um, one time I, when I decided, yeah, I’d be interested in taking gun classes in all places, LA. And there was a guy that could get you into this. Yeah. Believe it or not. Uh, it’s outside and there’s like this SWAT house. And so you learn the whole day. It was the first gun I ever shot, learned how to, you know, pull a Glock, shoot a Glock, and then you go.
Cathy Meehan: They do that? Okay.
Del Bigtree: over to the SWAT house. And the guy said something that stuck with me. He’s like, we’re going to go into a live fire situation. Like you’re going to be using live rounds. I’m going to have your six behind you, making sure you don’t, you know, hurt yourself. But he gave us the rules. He said, this is how everyone in SWAT enters a building. And he said, here’s the scenario. Let’s say, you know, he says, first of all, if you’re one person going to a house of multiple assailants, Your odds of survival are just this side of zero, just this side of zero. So the number one recommendation is call the police and get them here and get them to do it. But let’s say your daughter has been abducted. You know, she’s in this building. You know, you have no time and you were willing to risk everything. He said, I’m going to tell you the only way, the people that survived, this is how they survive. And so it was really interesting and people that, you know, know guns better than me will, you know, probably know this, but He said, first of all, as soon as you kick that door open, this has begun. Do not. You better be ready to move. Don’t like open it and then think bebecause now you’re framed and you’re the easiest target there is in the world. But he said, what you’re going to do is you’re going to get through the door and go to the nearest wall, put your shoulder on that wall and you’re going to shoot anything that’s directly down that wall. You’re going to slide all the way down that wall quickly. And he said, and now there may be someone, this is what’s fascinating, maybe someone in the corner of the room. that’s shooting at you, but you can’t worry about them. You are just going to clear this wall. You’re going to turn on the next wall, slide down that wall and that one in the corner you’re not going to get to until you’re on the third wall. And he said, now what you want to do, your instinct is to turn and try and face whoever’s shooting at you. But the moment you do that, you’ve stopped. And now everyone in that room is going to take you out and you’re dead. And he’s like, you’re probably being hit. You’re being hit by bullets. And people do.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: But you will, you know, if you’re going to survive, you’re going to survive that until you’ve cleared every wall. Then you do every room that way. And it’s the same exact principle really, which is shoot the target in front of you. Don’t get cute. Don’t try to guess what’s happening in another room. And don’t worry about what’s in the corner of the room making problems for you. Stay focused on finishing the task directly in front of you and then move on to the next one. So those are a couple, a couple of the
Cathy Meehan: Keep going.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Del Bigtree: Del Bigtree’s little, you know, wisdom nuggets.
Cathy Meehan: wisdom nuggets there. Yes, yes, absolutely. That’s my favorite thing, #BeBrave. That’s like, yes, that’s which is true because you know, that was that was the thing is when you have community that really like encourages you and gives you more confidence to speak up and the more somebody you know, if you’re a shy person, you know, just start planting seeds for people of you know,
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Hey, have you ever seen The HighWire? You know, I get a lot of information from The HighWire. You should check it out. That’s all you have to do is just plant seeds. And because those seeds are growing like weeds now and it’s just, you know, the amount of people that are questioning the entire vaccine schedule, you know, thank you, COVID for being that, you know, blessing in disguise, which brought so many people together. So I think, you know, we really can’t. depend on the government to wipe out the vaccine schedule. They’re not gonna wipe it out. It’s just like, you you can’t go to your pediatrician and tell the pediatrician why vaccines are bad. They’re so biased. They’re not going to listen to you. And it’s really gonna, I think, come from the consumer level. It’s people have to stop going to their pediatricians or people have to stop buying glyphosate. People have to start
Del Bigtree: Yes. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: purchasing organic foods, stop buying Fruity Pebbles. And it’s, you know, that’s where we’ll probably make the most impact. It’s not as fast as just, you know, having the government wipe it out. But I just, don’t think that’s gonna happen from the government. It’s, yeah.
Del Bigtree: Government is not, never going to be, and should not be the arbiter of health that decides what health is. We need to take it into our own hands, you know, I’d love to see the mandates taken away. I’m not here to eradicate vaccines. I’ve been saying lately, you know, I didn’t name my nonprofit the, you know, Vaccine Eradication Network. It’s the Informed Consent Action Network
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Del Bigtree: I want choice. you want vaccines, go right ahead. You want to vaccinate your kids, you know, I’ll make sure the science you can see it for what it’s worth, but that’s your choice. It’s a free country. And frankly, like I even, you know, there’s a part of me that knows there must be people that would be guided by God for some reason to protect their child in that way. Maybe they’re vulnerable. I don’t know. I’m not going to get in the way of other people’s connection and what they’re guided to do, but I should be able to live my life as I’m guided to.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Del Bigtree: live my life and how I’m going to raise my kids. And if I can’t, then I don’t live in a free country. Then the Founding Fathers’ dream is already dead. And that’s what I’m fighting. I’m fighting for freedom. not really necessarily. I think the tip of the iceberg is health. That’s why I use it. But ultimately, I’m fighting for the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights, the Bill of Rights, really.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, yeah, it’s definitely. Yeah, well, and it’s like if you don’t have your health. I mean, you don’t have the energy to get up in the morning to fulfill your purpose or to even open up that door and see if that’s the door you’re supposed to go through, or to raise your kids or your grandchildren and you know and teach them. We need to do a better job with what information is fed to our children. And I just ask that all parents, know, that is a, that job is a gift from God. And you only have so many years with your children. And just to make that number one, your purpose every day when you wake up is to protect your children. Absolutely protect your children because those little humans are going to grow up and be big humans. And we want them to be productive in the world. Absolutely.
Del Bigtree: There you are.
Cathy Meehan: I know your kids have gotten so big too. It’s like, ugh. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: is an understatement my son is six-five and a half feet tall. I mean I don’t know I’m I’m I’m I always say I’m 6 feet I might be exaggerating by a millimeter or 2 but I’m right about 6 feet tall and he just shot past me. With a vengeance and the kid is, you know, it’s so weird to hug your own son like you’re hugging Paul Bunyan you know. It’s great.
Cathy Meehan: What?
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, that’s great. Well, I’m sure they’re going to be well-versed in health, nutrition, fighting for your rights, and that you and Leigh have raised them well, most definitely. So do you, is there anything I’ve missed?
Del Bigtree: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: Well, I mean, you know, we touched on it. I do want people to know you can go watch An Inconvenient Study at aninconvenientstudy.com. I think it’s, you know, I spend my life trying to figure out how to make this very complicated problem an issue as understandable and reasonable as I possibly can. And I would say that An Inconvenient Study is the pinnacle achievement of that goal. I don’t think there’s a film that’s ever been made that more clearly lays out the issue, has the right amount of, you know, dramatic intrigue, especially with the hidden camera footage of Dr. Zervos’s nearly 20 or 30 minutes of it. It is a fascinating, even if you didn’t come away with the central theme. I don’t think you’ve really seen undercover footage where you really see
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Del Bigtree: an internal struggle that this scientist is going through in a very real way. I’ve watched people argue over whether he’s evil or pathetic or dangerous or benevolent. It’s really a very interesting human study and the movie came together beautifully and it’s free. I’m even asking people to buy the, have little business cards you can buy at aninconvenientstudy.com.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, it’s free. Yes. Yeah.
Del Bigtree: You can hand out with a QR code and the website so that every, you know, anyone you see, everyone your question starts having a conversation like that pediatrician or, you know, the, or the guy you met on the plane and say, Hey, check this out. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a really well-crafted tool for, I think expanding this conversation.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Well, you know, and you point out like, so was he, is he an evil doctor? Is he selfish? Is he what the thing that, you know, we have open arms for people that realize if they have made a mistake. I mean, it’s, I don’t want to say it’s okay. made a mistake, but it’s okay to acknowledge that you’ve made the mistake and then let’s start correcting what we’ve done. And just, you know, it’s. I just want people to know, there’s pediatricians now that are turning and they’re like, I’m not doing vaccinations anymore. we’ve got nurses coming out of NICU because they realized what was happening and that’s okay. We love you. Come over to our side.
Del Bigtree: Yeah. Look, I…
Del Bigtree: Yeah, I agree. it’s I you know, there’s a couple of times we’ve had there’s one other. Well, I’ll just stick with An Inconvenient Study. I mean, when I screen it, one of the things I’ll say is raise your hand if you think Dr. Zervos is evil. It’s usually about three-quarters of the audience will raise their hand. And and I say, OK, well, you know, you know, and if you ask people to say, well, because he has the truth, it’s
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Del Bigtree: clear these vaccines are poisoning kids and he can do something about it and he doesn’t. And then I’ll say, raise your hand if you never avoided the conversation, the COVID vaccine, even though you knew it was dangerous. Did you ever go to Thanksgiving dinner and say, I’m not gonna bring it up here. I don’t wanna like have a conflict with my brother, sister, mom, dad, know, uncle, whatever friend. Did you ever not? tell someone your truth just because you wanted to avoid the conflict. Raise your hand if you’ve never done that. And I mean, no one raises their hand. And I say, you know, Del Bigtree, and by the way, I can’t raise my hand even as outspoken as I am. There have been moments where I just chose to have a peaceful meal with someone and not tell them what I know. And so that’s the same thing. I mean, just because his was on a scale of he could have saved millions, I could have saved one person and I didn’t. So
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: you know, our apathy or our fear to speak makes us complicit. And we have all been complicit, you know, in one time or another. And so that and I would just leave it at, you know, as Jesus said, you know, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I don’t I try not to cast stones. We all have our issues, but we can do better and we should do better.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: And we should do better. And we can start doing better by watching The HighWire, vaxed and An Inconvenient Study so that you can go plant those seeds everyone. And Del, I appreciate you so very much. I’m sure I’ll be seeing you around again and just have a blessed day. And for our audience, I do hope you enjoyed this time with Del and just please share, like, subscribe, do all those fun things and
Del Bigtree: Yeah.
Del Bigtree: That’s right.
Cathy Meehan: Go be informed and be brave. Thanks, Del. You bet.
Del Bigtree: Thank you.
