Cathy Meehan: We are not guaranteed a perfect life. In fact, we’re going to have peaks and valleys as we go through our journey. And my special guest today is Greg Wyatt. He’s the author of Ashes to Armor, and it’s his story of his son’s profound autism and what Greg does to maintain the resilience and the strength to get through every day. And not only that, to help others.
Get through their lowest times in their life. What we have to realize is just because we are faced with a tragedy, we can overcome that and really fulfill our purpose in life. And this podcast is perfect timing because many of you know that Jim passed away, and it was actually two years ago, yesterday. And we could have taken that tragedy and just
curled up in a ball and cried the whole family, the whole clinic. But instead we gathered our thoughts, we used our faith in God, and we have continued on and we are carrying on the Meehan Mission. So today I want to inspire you with Greg’s story. So let’s welcome Greg to the Meehan Mission podcast.
Cathy Meehan: Hello, everyone. It’s Cathy Meehan, and welcome to this very special edition of the Meehan Mission Podcast. And I just want to tell everybody I am so excited today to introduce you to Greg Wyatt because Greg is the example of where tragedy happens in your life. And what do we do? We can either wallow in the corner and cry.
Or we can take that tragedy and we can turn it into absolutely something beautiful to not only help inspire ourselves, but also to inspire other people that might be going through the same, you know, the same circumstances. So, Greg, thank you for joining me today. And I would love for you to introduce yourself to our community and just let us know, you know, how did you get to where you are now? So let’s hear what you’ve got going on.
Greg Wyatt: Only by the grace of God. This hat, I’ve wore, I wear it every day as a reminder of who I am, where I’m at, and where I’m going. This world is just temporary. It’s just a dropping off place to our next destination. So I do wanna thank you for having me on. I’ll do a quick introduction. my name’s Greg Wyatt, and I really wanted to personally thank you.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: For taking the time to join us today. For many years, people have known me through my books, my research, and my business, and of course my advocacy work. Some people know me as a business owner, others know me as an author, some know me as a researcher, and I’ve spent tens of thousands of hours investigating very difficult and often controversial subjects.
But most importantly, most people know me as a father, a father to Weston and Emily, a father whose life was changed forever by my children, Weston and Emily. Today, however, I want to do something a little different. I don’t want to talk about headlines. I don’t want to talk about controversies. I don’t want to talk about politics. I want to tell you my story.
Because the truth is my story didn’t begin when I became an activist, a businessman, or an author. It began long, long before I was even born. It began with a family secret, a secret connected to America’s eugenics movement, government sterilization programs of humanity, and events that would remain hidden for decades.
For most of my life, I believed I knew where I came from. Then one day I discovered that much of what I believed was simply not true. I learned that I’d been conceived through artificial insemination in the 1950s. I learned that my father, Herbert Shorty Wyatt, had been sterilized by the government as part of a eugenics program. And then I began a decades-long search for answers about my origins.
My family, and ultimately who this guy is. That journey would take me to places I never imagined. You gotta remember, I’m 70 years old now, and I grew up in a very different America. An America where a man working an ordinary job could build a life, support a family, and dream about the future.
Greg Wyatt: I had a fairly good idea on how my life story would unfold. But life and God had other plans. The birth of my son Weston and my daughter Emily brought incredible joy into my life, but they also brought challenges that would ultimately change the direction of everything. Their struggles became my struggles. Their journey became my journey.
And what began as a father’s search for understanding eventually grew into a mission that has shaped much of my life over the last decade. That mission led me into years of research, investigation, writing, advocacy, and countless conversations with people from all over the world. And along the way, I witnessed things that inspired me. I witnessed things that broke my heart.
I met extraordinary people. I experienced betrayal. I experienced disappointment. And I discovered that some heroes are not always what they appear to be. And I learned that truth is often far more complicated than the stories were told. There were seasons that I felt exhausted. I felt like giving up, and many times I almost did.
There were seasons when I felt alone. There were moments when I wondered whether anyone was really listening. Moments when it seemed easier to quit than continue. Yet however every setback became a hidden lesson. Every disappointment became a teacher, and every defeat became another stepping stone forward.
If there’s one lesson my life has taught me, it is this. Sometimes your greatest defeats become the foundation of your greatest victories. Now looking back at 70 years of life, I can see that many of those moments I once viewed as tragedies actually became turning points. The pain, it had a purpose. The struggle, it had a meaning, the fire, it had a reason. And through it all,
Cathy Meehan: Hmm.
Cathy Meehan: huh.
Greg Wyatt: My faith carried me further than any strength ever could. Today I’ve written multiple books, spent years of sharing my experiences, and dedicated much of my life to helping others, ask questions, seek truth, and find hope during these difficult times. But this podcast is not about me, not really. It’s about perseverance. It’s about purpose.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: It’s about family and it’s about faith. And most of all, it’s about searching for truth when answers do not come easy. And it’s about the human ability to keep moving forward when life seems determined to knock us down. Because every single one of us has a story, an important story. You have an important story. You are an important person.
Every one of us has experienced loss, disappointment, uncertainty, and struggle. So whenever you’re listening today, wherever you’re listening from, whether you follow my journey for years, or if this is the first time we’ve met, I invite you to pull up a chair and spend some time with me and listen to my story. We’ll talk about the victories, we’ll talk about the defeats, we’ll talk about the lessons learned along the way.
And together we’ll perhaps discover that some of life’s biggest blessings are hidden inside the battles we never ever wanted to fight. My name’s Greg Wyatt. This is my story. And after these years, the fire still burns. Thank you.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Greg, that was so powerful. And I know you want to read part of your book, but I just want to commend you for never giving up and to finding the strength and the faith to persevere because I think that’s just a lesson that so many people need to understand that anyone can persevere and have faith. They just have to make the right choices. So needed to just let you know that. I’m
I’m so glad this timing is perfect. I love it. So continue on.
Greg Wyatt: Well, so out of all of this journey, I wrote two books. This is my second one. It’s called Ashes to Armor: Finding God in the Fire, the most incredible book you will ever read about secrets, about truths, and more importantly, about my life and how I got through it. And it’s A Father’s Story of Autism, Medical Betrayal, and Resilient Truth.
And with that being said, I want to show you the two most important people in my life. They’re the ones that started this whole thing. They were born perfect, absolutely perfect. And after the two four and six month well visits, they both became severely injured. Neurologically injured. My son now, Weston, is 28 years old.
He functions at the level of a three year old. I’ve never had a normal relationship with my son, and that was haunting for so many years. And I became so angry as I found out the truth. Because the truth will set you free. And then came my little girl Emily. Emily was a joy of my life, born nineteen months difference. There was nineteen months difference in their ages.
They’re both adopted, incredible gifts from God. The same birth mother and the same birth father chose us, my wife and I, to be the parents of these two wonderful kids. And I’ll share one more picture. Some of this is difficult for me to talk about. I’ve had some practice, but this is when I said goodbye to my son three years ago. He got in the car for the last time of being a
Greg Wyatt: member of our household full time. He still comes home once in a while, and I do see him. But I’ll never forget this. It was so hard to say goodbye. But I did it through the grace of God. And it’s turned out great. He lives in a group home now. It’s a fantastic ending to the story. And it’s all in here. It’s sometimes hard for me to talk about. But so I’m just going to touch on this and then I’m going to shut up. this
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Right.
Cathy Meehan: Okay.
Greg Wyatt: This is the back cover of Ashes to Armor. What if your very existence was a secret born from a system that controlled human destinies? Greg Wyatt’s life began in the shadows of eugenics. A hidden truth that ignited his relentless pursuit of justice, but his personal war against injustice was only the beginning.
When his own children, Weston and Emily, suffered devastating vaccine injuries, their lives were stolen. Their futures altered. It wasn’t just a tragedy, it was a thunderclap, a call to arms, ignited by truth. And I’m gonna let you go ahead and read this. We’ll just get into my interview and
It’ll be great. But please, it’s 20 bucks. And believe me, I don’t make a dime on this. I really don’t. I spend so much time and energy and and my own funding on doing this. I’ve never taken donations. I never will. God has given me the ability to do this all on my own. So that’s it.
Cathy Meehan: Well, that’s great. And that’s our God. He is one who provides. He provides for us. And and I think a lot of people don’t realize that. Many people do write books and they don’t make any money on the books. but the important thing is that they’re getting the message out. And we’ll definitely leave links so that people can find that book. And so really, Greg, I really want to kind of even start with you.
Greg Wyatt: Okay.
Cathy Meehan: that you’ve got a lot of story. And I what I love is that you understand that God gives us some of these, I call them stepping stones that are in our life. Or, you know, they might be doors that open and doors that close. And for you, you know, with Weston and Emily,
When you got their diagnosis that, you know, or and I don’t even know if they had a diagnosis of like a profound autism or what that medical thing was, how was the the medical system’s response to your children’s injuries? what were they like gaslighting you, saying, I don’t know what it is, or it’s genetic? I mean, how did that start? Because there’s a lot of people that listen to this podcast.
who have children who have been injured by by vaccines.
Greg Wyatt: Absolutely. we were one of the first waves of parents with autistic kids. The first wave that had the internet. It just had started. My son Weston was born on Groundhog’s Day, 1998. He was a Groundhog’s baby, and I thought that that was so cool. So cool. But I had no idea where the next 28 years was going to end up.
So we we like every other good parent, you know, we took him to the doctor and he was in perfect health. Everything was documented. And we took him in for a two-month well visit. That sounds good. Let’s keep our kid well. So Joyce took him in. The next thing I see is a tray full of needles. And I’m thinking, I thought this was about health. I didn’t know this was gonna be these injections. He’s not sick. Usually you get, you know.
An injection when you’re sick. He was perfectly well. So they held him down and he he just he he just thrashed. He was very unhappy. We took him home. He had a fever, a little bruising, a little swelling, but it wasn’t real noticeable after the first two months. And then there was another well visit two months later, the four-month well visit.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: And we took him in, and I’m thinking, I’m starting to think, is all this really necessary? And of course, the doctor assured me, absolutely, he has had thousands, tens of thousands of patients, and they’re all healthy and they’re all doing well. So I said, Okay. So then after that, there was a six-month well visit, and
We noticed the difference after every shot. It was so subtle. You don’t see it. It’s not like a big boom. That’s why they like to give these shots to babies, because the babies can’t say, My head’s on fire, and you know, all this stuff. They’re just so helpless. These are God’s creations. We need to stand up and at least tell the truth. If you can’t do anything, you can just share my story and my truth. But one of the things that was horrible was there was another visit.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Mm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Yes.
Greg Wyatt: And this took place about, well, actually it was before the two month well baby visit. And it was for circumcision. And I told my wife I just, you know, I had to work. And I came home and she was a bucket of tears. She said, Greg, that was the most horrible experience I ever have gone through in my life.
And I knew why I didn’t go. I couldn’t handle it. I’m a very emotional, sensitive man. And my wife’s more like a woman. She’s my rock, Joyce. The best woman in the world, the best wife in the world. So once these things happened, it started me thinking, well, you know, maybe these things aren’t the greatest. Now you gotta remember, I’m a businessman. I’m busy. And I just let Joyce do everything. She’s a mother. We adopted Weston.
Cathy Meehan: That’s great.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: Right out of the birth canal on Groundhog’s Day 1998, she provided him with all the love and tools that you could give an infant. And as he he you know got a little bit older, we just started noticing things that just didn’t make sense. Well, so we decided that well, let’s just put this on on pause for a little bit, and then lo and behold.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: Emily was born 19 months later, and we had to start the whole same process with Emily. Well, Emily got her two-month shots and she was not happy. And I talked to Joyce. I said, honey, let’s just go ahead and delay these. There’s really no need for them right now. And I’ll never forget what the doctor said. He said, Greg and Joyce, you tell me, you’re telling me that a young couple entrusted these children to you.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
What?
Greg Wyatt: And you’re gonna subject them to sickness and death? He was very stern. And I said, I said, No, sir, you’re the expert. I never knew he was no expert. God is the expert.
Cathy Meehan: Greg.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, well they don’t they don’t know what they don’t know and they don’t care to learn. So that’s that’s a whole nother thing. I’m so sorry that a physician talked to you like that. I’m so sorry. But that’s not that’s not an abnormal story, Greg. We hear this over and over and over. The doctor does not recognize the possibility of a vaccine injury. So they’re not going to not only are they
biased financially, but you know, they’re they’ve got this, the majority of them have this like narcissistic attitude that they know everything. And how dare you come to them with some sort of a, you know, conspiracy theory or something. So I’m I’m so sorry that you had to deal with that. And and I know many parents have experienced that same thing. So
That’s why we’re changing the world. That’s why we’re changing it. One conversation and book at a time. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely. I might add that Emily’s birth was very ill-timed. Weston was just starting to get very autistic. He was walking on his toes, he was slapping his ears, he was banging his head, and we had never seen anything like it. Here we are, new parents, 30 years old, wondering what is going on. Our kids were born perfectly normal. So we take them to the doctor, Motrin.
Tylenol and albuterol, the the same thing, penicillin or you know, steroids constantly, constantly for two years. And I have all the documentation because we were one of the first five thousand test cases that challenged the federal government and tried to get some compensation. Pardon me, ma’am? Yeah, we were one of the five thousand.
Cathy Meehan: In the omnibus proceedings? You’re in the omnibus proceedings, that? Hmm. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: And and like other all there’s only one Hannah Poling that got any compensation. We were part of the other four thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine. Seven years later, they made the decision. It took them seven years. They were up to something. They were up to something. We sent it in in 2004 and we got it back in 2011. And that’s what really started me. I left it there. It was a big, big package of all the all the medical records for Weston.
Cathy Meehan: Right.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: And I wouldn’t look at it. I wouldn’t look at it. You got to remember now it’s 2011 and he’s he’s 13 years old and he’s still like a two-year-old. And I’m going, there’s something wrong. And I prayed to God, show me the truth, Lord. Let me be something that you can use. This story is too unreal just to have it shelved. So I’ll fast forward a little bit. Weston got the MMR shot at 19 months.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm. So true. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: And that totally pushed him over the edge. Totally. And we decided no more shots for Emily, no more shots for Weston. And they never had another shot in their life. But like I said today, Weston’s 28 years old. The damage was done. He was neurologically disabled. There’s there’s no there’s no grandkids for Joyce and I. There’s no extended family for Joyce and I. I mean
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Okay.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: It it is just a challenging situation. I won’t call it horrible because my kids are blessings and I learn from them and I’ve learned so much from them. So as time went on, you know they were they were healthy, but they were Weston was severely neurologically injured. And Emily, since we kept since we cut back on the shots, she didn’t have the profound effect of having all these shots.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: Multiply the symptoms of them. Now, Weston is level three autistic, and Emily is level one. Emily is 19 months younger than Weston. She’s like an eight-year-old. Weston’s like a three-year-old. And to have any parent adapt their life to a situation that is so incredibly challenging, it’s a miracle. I made it. It’s a bigger miracle. I’m here on your show telling this story.
Cathy Meehan: good.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: Because with God as my witness, you don’t need these shots to keep health and wellness within the confines of your little one. Don’t believe it. With God as my witness, I can’t get any stronger than that. I’ve said it before. I feel, you know, if I if I’m ex if I’m exaggerating things, I pray that God would just take me now. Because I don’t, I’m not a liar, I’m a truth teller.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Well, Greg, you are you’re not exaggerating. You are telling the truth. And what has happened over the past couple of years is the actual truth. We have studies of vaxxed versus unvaccinated, and clearly the unvaccinated are healthier. We are now having exposure of the fraud and the corruption behind the lack of studies that the CDC does not have.
showing the safety and efficacy of the CDC childhood vaccination schedule. We have people talking in alternative media with podcasts, things on, you know, when you’re not being censored on Facebook or Instagram or anything else. So the message is getting out and it’s it exactly what you’re doing. But I want to go back to what did the pediatrician tell you when you’re saying or or or that you actually
watched your child, you know, regress. Sorry about that. You you actually watch your child regress. What was the pediatrician’s response to that? What did they say? Why was that happening?
Greg Wyatt: He didn’t have any answers. I will say this. This was interesting. He was the nicest guy. I remember him, Dr. Mick. He was extra nice and careful. This guy, I mean, he could walk on water. Well, right now he is retired, and he’s also a minister at one of these local elderly places, retirement home. And she ran across him, just you know, Prescott’s not a huge town, it’s a little bit bigger than it used to be.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
they’re all nice. They’re all nice. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mm. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: But she she talked to him. she said, hi, Dr. Mick, how are you doing? And he says, Well, how’s he asked her, how’s Weston and Emily? She says, Well, they’re just the way they they were, you know, they’re autistic. And he she starts talking to him. And he says to her, You still don’t believe it’s from the vaccines, do you? my God.
Cathy Meehan: And I hope she said, No, no, I don’t believe it is. I know it is. I know it is. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: That’s what she said. That’s what she said. And back then, just to regress a little bit, he said one word when we told him about vaccines, he said, It’s hogwash. Your beliefs are hogwash.
Cathy Meehan: yeah.
Yeah. Well, I I have a theory that when parents are taking their children to pediatricians and their child is actually injured by vaccines and just, you know, the little disclaimer, everybody, it’s not just vaccines that injure our children, but we know that the majority of the time we can see the McCullough’s report showing that it vaccines are predominantly the reason for autism.
But I personally believe that these parents just stop going to their pediatrician. So the pediatricians aren’t seeing all the damage that the vaccines are doing. And they’re not realizing, well, little Susie’s not coming back anymore, but she’s not coming back because the parents figured it out. And so that’s why these physicians are like, Well, I don’t really see vaccine injury. It’s because people they wise up and they stop going to the pediatrician. But
Yeah, there’s just we’ve got to continue to create the awareness, which you are doing, Greg. And so I have a question for you because you are outspoken. You have a big heart. You have this passion. Did you always know that you were gonna grow up and just be this person that had to speak out and and tell the truth? Or was there one moment where you’re like, yes, I’m I’m gonna do it?
How did that come about?
Greg Wyatt: Interesting question from a very early age, because of my you know, my sperm donor was a college professor. My father, Shorty Wyatt, was very, very uneducated. He grew up in the thirties. He didn’t have the he didn’t have the gifts that people give to their children to make them go on. He had to work at the age of thirteen in a field. And
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: So when I found out that was a big day, it was June 8th, 1983. That was a day that changed my life. That was the first day that changed my life. The second day were these two young, wonderful kids that I have. But I found out that my father was not my father. I was in a drug treatment at the age of 28. Nothing real serious, just smoking pot. I wanted to stop. And so they sat me down on my twenty-eighth birthday.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: And the the orderly says, Greg, your mom has something to tell you. She’s sitting there crying. And I’m going, I knew it. I was adopted. I knew there was something wrong from the very, very initial part of my growing up. My father was five feet tall. He was dark complexed. I’m, you know, I’m over six feet tall. I’m light hair, light complexion. Now I will say all of this: go to GregWyatt.com.
And you will find the documentation, the pictures that I’m talking about, the genetic bewilderment that I went through. So anyway, I asked my mother, family’s important to me. I said, Mom, who is my father? And she says, Greg, it was done in secret. You will never be able to find out. The records were destroyed, which is another whole story, but let me just fast-forward through that. It’s another story.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: It took me eight years, one month, and one day to shake my donor’s hand in Blacksburg, Virginia, where he taught students for 35 years. He was a university professor, and in that moment, a light went off. I said, I’m not this person who I thought I was. I have all this ability. And you got to remember, this was back in 1984, 16 plus 20, that was 42 years ago.
I had this revelation that I was maybe something more than I thought. So God gave me a big helping of the ability to question things and to find the truth. And I thank him for that because I wouldn’t be able to do this had I not been the person that he created me to be. So yeah, it was I find life fascinating. I find the truth fascinating because when you
Cathy Meehan: Yes. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: Believe in lies, you can never find the truth. But once you find the truth, you will never believe in lies. Pretty simple.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Yeah, absolutely. And I just love that because, you know, I I wish that people who, again, who are facing difficult times and you know, they feel there is no way out or this is the worst day of my life, or you know, what it whether it’s divorce or bankruptcy or loss of a spouse or, you know, just whatever that is, if they could just think about all of these stepping stones I call them that God put
in their past, which actually brought them to the point they are in their life at this moment. And then they get to choose which direction to go in. And you know what is your purpose in life? I mean, that’s really the thing. And and again, I’m just so I’m so thankful that we met up so that I could bring you on the show because it’s just I will say, you know,
Again, you know, yesterday was the anniversary of my husband’s death for, you know, two years. And I was in that spot, Greg. I was like, I I remember I was like, I can go home and cry, or you know, we’ve got patience, we’ve got a team here. We’ve got we had, you know, we were just beginning the creation of Mindset Kids. I was like, God, what, you know, what do I do? And and I knew
that I had to get up, you know, put my boots on and go forward and just help other people to, you know, realize that just because it’s a tragedy doesn’t mean that that’s the end. It’s really just a new beginning. So I appreciate that you’ve had that attitude and and you found yourself to do that, which is, I can’t believe that. that had to been such a like a revelation.
Cathy Meehan: For you to find that out. So so have you met your birth father?
Greg Wyatt: I went and drove my old car back in 1984 without air conditioning from Denver, Colorado, all the way to Blacksburg, Virginia. The clutch was going out. The air conditioner didn’t work. We got pretty good gas mileage. I said, I this is the only chance I’m gonna have. I was down on business in Florida and I looked at Virginia and I thought, this is a short distance. Don’t believe maps. It was a long distance. So I knew I was going there.
Cathy Meehan: no.
Cathy Meehan: Okay.
Greg Wyatt: And I drove, it was like a two day straight drive. And I get there and I’m in Blacksburg, Virginia. And the first thing I want to do is research, research, research. I have an opportunity to go to Virginia Tech and look him up and look at what he’s done. I want to find out who this guy is. And I found so much great information. He had taught over 3,500 students. Put them up. I mean, he he retired after 35 years.
He actually was pretty much everything I was not during those years of confusion. So when I found out who I was, I was able to discover really who I was. And so I I I found out where he lived. He’s he passed away. He and his wife were the founders of Warm Hearth Village. It’s a retirement community, the largest nonprofit retirement community.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: thank you.
Greg Wyatt: In Blacksburg, Virginia. And he was an incredible human being. He died back, 10 years ago. But with the internet, what’s interesting is when someone passes away, there’s a litany of information now out there on everybody. You can’t hide anything that you do. The internet has become, if you know how to use it, a source of truth. So I remember I had his name and I had his address on a card.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yes.
Greg Wyatt: And this was, my gosh, I’m sitting there, my heart is going through my chest. I’m going, am I doing the right thing? Should I just back off? And so I pull up and he’s in a modest little two-bedroom townhouse. and I I look and and and and I go, I gotta do it, I gotta do it. And I walked up and I knocked at the door, and this little elderly woman came to the door, and I go.
I I don’t mind. His name was Wybe Kroontje. I’m very proud of him. He’d probably be proud of me for telling him how what a great guy he was and giving me life. And I said, is Professor Kroontje in? And she said, Yeah, just a minute, I’ll come and get him. And time stopped. It’s like, my heart. And then the next thing I know, here’s this guy coming to the door.
Cathy Meehan: Absolutely.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: This big guy, he was big. And he was like, you know, almost 80 years old. And he he was kind of puzzled and he comes to the door and he does this. He looks, he says, Who are you? Do I know you? He was searching his memory banks because he probably thought I was one of the students. You know, he had lots of students. And I I I go, now what am I gonna say? Really, what am I gonna say? Who are you?
Cathy Meehan: Mm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: And so I reached out my hand and I shook it and I said, Thank you for giving me the gift of life. He couldn’t say anything. He just stood there. And I said, I I want to stress, I’m not here for your money. I don’t want to cause any problems. You’ll never hear from me again. And I turned around and I walked away.
Cathy Meehan: Hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Wow. It’s all you needed.
Greg Wyatt: That’s all I needed at that time.
Cathy Meehan: Yep. That’s all you needed. Yeah, at that time. Yeah. That was that was that God moment right there. That that was great.
Greg Wyatt: Yeah, and you gotta remember, you know, that was forty-three years ago and it still is etched in my mind. And I’m very proud. My I’m very proud, but the deeper I more I discovered about him, he was a member of the Dutch Resistance. He was born in the Netherlands. He was 17 years old when Hitler came in and took away all of his Jewish friends, and he joined the Dutch resistance.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Mm. I can only imagine. Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: And you know what all that entailed? And he got caught. And he was put in a concentration camp. Lucky for him, lucky for him, the war was almost over. And within several months, he was liberated. But what a story. Because this is this is my this is my DNA memory. We have muscle memory, we have emotional memory.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, really the resilience that you have. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: He’s he’s me. He’s half of me. And I’m half of him. And with God, I am so blessed that the Lord showed me who I was because during those years of searching, honestly, honestly, I was a mess. I didn’t know who I was. I suffered from genetic bewilderment. I tried being like my dad, who worked common day labor jobs, never making over minimum wage, because there’s a thing.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mm. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: Like father, like son. The last thing you want to do is show up your dad, especially if you’re living in Nebraska. I wanted to honor him by being like him, but I didn’t know I wasn’t like him and that he wasn’t my dad. So when I found this out, there was kind of a relief, but there was also confusion. Because when I found out that he wasn’t my dad, I went and I was conceived through artificial insemination. I didn’t know what artificial insemination was. So I go to the Denver Library.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: And I I look it up. This is in the eighties. Card files, you know, there’s no computer.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Before we had Google. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: And you know what? I looked up artificial insemination in the card file and you know what it said? See animal breeding.
Cathy Meehan: Mm mm.
Cathy Meehan: well.
Greg Wyatt: I go, you talk about for a moment, honestly, I thought I was a child of the devil. I thought I was created out of a system that breeds animals. For a moment. It took me a couple days to work through it, maybe a couple months. But I started questioning God because I go, God, what kind of a joke is this? I was angry. I was really angry at God. What kind of a joke is this?
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. More digging and researching.
Greg Wyatt: And that was, like I said, 40 some years ago, and I’ve came such a long way. But I like the thing you’re talking about the stones. I have another way I explain it. We are like branches on a tree. Every decision we make, every little decision goes to another branch. The branch gets bigger and it gets bigger and it gets bigger and it gets bigger. And I I’ve pinpointed very, very simple decisions that were made.
That enabled me to meet my wife, which enabled me to have Weston and Emily. These little branches were just twigs, and they started blooming and I followed them. And you’re absolutely right about the stones, I mean the trees. We are just all leaves in this, we’re all branches in this tree of life. And we have to realize the truth. Because it’s the old saying: the truth will set you free. Amen.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yes, yes, yeah. Yeah. So I would think you your life, you had lots of ups and downs, obviously. So tell me what was it that got you through when you were like at your lowest lows? I mean, how do we help people that are in their lowest lows to realize that they can pull out of it? What what advice do you give people for that?
Greg Wyatt: It was very very simple for me because it was so extreme. I had no choice but to reach up for God. I said, God, I can’t do this. I don’t want to do this. Please, Heavenly Father. And I started reading the Bible and I started buying here’s the original book. Here I bought Bible promise book. I want to know God’s promises. Here’s another here’s another
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Greg Wyatt: Version of it. These are the original books from 1983. And I’d look at what God says about belief. here’s just faith. Faith. I have this one dog-eared. I wanted to learn more about faith, God’s faithfulness. I wanted to know about fear because I was very, very fearful at this point of everything. I was, I was looking at everything in a in a different way that wasn’t healthy.
The growth in grace. God is a graceful God. People always say that I’ve got all these problems, and they think that God allowed me to have these problems. guilt was a big one. I felt guilt for my dad. What happened to him? Then I felt guilt for Weston and Emily for being not smart enough to just do my research. But again, this was the early 90s, mid-90s. Here’s here’s a real good one. I have this, I haven’t looked at this book in a while. Maybe I should. Help in Troubles.
Cathy Meehan: Hmm. Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: Lord, I need and then how do you get that? The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit. Being honest. Honesty was another one I had earmarked. You know, these are just fantastic. I would encourage your listeners to get a Bible promise book. This is a new international version. Very easy to understand. I’d get different versions of them. This is the living Bible. And I don’t know why I’ve kept these. I don’t even know why they were here.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Well, you know why they were there? I call those God winks. They were there so you could share with our community on where they can go when they are in despair and they don’t know the next thing. And I don’t, you know, I remember, you know, with Jim’s passing and there is no way that I would be here today if it wasn’t for my God. And I just I I look at some people that
don’t have God in their life. And I’m like, you know, I pray for them and I’m just like, how do you make it day to day without God in your life? Because, you know, He is your hope. He is your provider. And and yes, we might be in valleys and think that we’re never going to get out. But then we have to understand, you know, I always tell myself, you know, God makes the plan. I don’t make the plan.
I get up every day and I put one foot in front of the other and I see where that takes me. I ask for guidance and wisdom and discernment in, you know, whether it’s leadership or relationships or finances or fitness. I mean, that’s what I ask God to direct my feet. And I don’t know where I’m gonna be next week. I mean, you know, I have goals. I’m not telling people not to have goals, but just know that.
Your life is God’s plan and and you’re gonna have those setbacks. I and and it I’m glad that you have the same same thought on that, that it’s God that really kind of gets you through those. It’s it’s definitely good. Yeah. Mm.
Greg Wyatt: Absolutely. God gave me a message years ago. through all of this I’ve been going through, he says, Through this adversity, Greg, you will find strength. Set your eyes on me. Don’t set your eyes on everything out here. It’s that simple. It’s really a simple message. But we as human beings just want to be in control. We want to fight everything. I don’t it it it
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Mm.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: Really interesting how God gave us this choice of free will that trips us up so badly, but He’s also offered His Son Jesus to die for our sins, so everything’s gonna be okay. I I’m gonna share this with you because I’m really hard on myself. I feel like I can never do enough despite all these books I’ve written and all the videos I’ve done and all the podcasts and it.
I had I had this dream, I had this vision that I died and I went up to God. I ascended upwards. And there was a a being. I don’t know if it was God, Jesus. It was God. But he says, Greg, I got a question. Why should I let you into my kingdom?
And I thought for a moment and I said, You shouldn’t. I’ve made so many mistakes, so many errors in judgment. I’ve done so many things that I’m not proud of. But I gave it my best, I gave it my all. And you promised, God, that you sent your son to die for my sins, and that it’s all covered, it’s all negated, it’s all forgiven. And he said.
Right answer, my servant. And this curtain drew drew wide in the background, and there was millions of people. And I always thought I never had done enough. He says, No, you did more than enough, Greg. See all these people back here, these are people whose lives you touched. I thought, my God. I mean, that’s something that happened that was really made me think.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: That’s what our purpose in life is, is to touch people, to touch people. God is like a multi-level marketing plan where one person touches another person, one person wakes up another person that wakes up another person. And it’s just like a multi-level marketing plan. And it’s so simple. It’s so simple.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Hmm.
Yeah. Yeah. I’ve never heard it put that way as a multi-level marketing plan, but you know what? You are you are spot on. And that’s, you know, that’s why what we do is we just share our testimony and we share and we we walk in God’s light and in his truth. And that’s how we you know, sign up more people for this multi-level marketing company. It’s like
Greg Wyatt: Payoffs are great. Let me tell you.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and and it’s always, you know, sometimes when I’m talking to people about their purpose and they think that, you know, they have to go out and change the world and, you know, make this, you know, huge impact. And I just remind them, I’m like, sometimes it’s just one person at a time where you’re making an impact. And
You know, it it could be a mom making an impact with another mom, or it can be, you know, kids making impacts with adults. And it’s and to just, you know, cherish every relationship that you have because that’s really where we’re gonna build this kingdom of God that we have. And and I think that’s great. I don’t want to get too off track, but I love that we’re going to church today. I love that we’re going to church today.
Greg Wyatt: Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: But I want to make sure that we hit on one of the questions I had was your book, Ashes to Armor, where did that title come from? How did you come up with that one?
Greg Wyatt: It was kind of just resonated within my heart. I don’t want to say soul, but it did. just a bucket of ashes. You know, I was nothing. I was dirt. I was just I was burned up. I was burned out. I’m laying on the floor. I’m feeling sorry for myself. I can’t do anything right. And it was a process though. It didn’t happen immediately. It was a long process.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: It’s just like, you know, that’s it’s in my book. That book was started back in the in the early twenties. My story started in the 20s, where it originated. You’ll see that. And it it it just was a culmination of all these events that just broke me. Broke me so bad. And I just kept re reaching out. One of my favorite sayings is, and I love this.
Through adversity, I found strength. Through my adversity that I have suffered, I have found the strength to get through it. And I am blessed to be able to be able to say that. And God’s been good to me, you know, 71 years old. I never thought I remember when I was a kid. Don’t trust anybody over 30. Believe me, I didn’t. And now here I’m 71. And I’m not done yet. I’m not done yet.
Cathy Meehan: Mm. Yeah.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
No, not done yet. It’s it’s interesting how as we age, we’re like, wow, I remember when I thought that was old. And it’s like, Yeah. It’s yeah. I I tell my kids, I’m like, you know, you’re in your twenties and thirties and you think you know everything and your forties, you think you know everything. And I was like, wait till you hit your fifties and then you’re gonna be like, Wow, there’s so much out there that I don’t know. And
Greg Wyatt: And
Cathy Meehan: So now next year I’ll be hitting my sixties and so it’ll be a whole another journey of learning. Never stop learning. Mm-hmm.
Greg Wyatt: Well, have a saying. I went to bed last night and I was 50. I woke up this morning and I was 70. That’s how fast it goes. It just time and space is absolutely fascinating. But you got to remember we’re going to live in eternity. And God doesn’t tell us everything. He wants to keep us interested in the journey. He doesn’t want to tell us all the secrets, he wants us to discover them.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
And you were seventy.
Cathy Meehan: Yes.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah, absolutely. I love that. So Greg, have I missed anything? Cause I want to make sure that well, number one, if people want more information about you, tell me again what that website is.
Greg Wyatt: My name’s Greg Wyatt, G-R-E-G W Y A T T dot com, and my videos.
Cathy Meehan: dot com and can they get your books there? Can they get your books there?
Greg Wyatt: Yeah, yeah. And you can also go to actually one of my books, some of my books are free. I think I’m gonna make them eventually, all three. Usually after about six months, I just make them free. But you can go to there and see what I’m doing. All my books are there where you can find them. so much information on there. it it just is an incredible. It’s the biggest website you’d ever see it, and then you gotta organize it so all the information is easy to find. So it’s an ongoing thing. And I will say this.
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: I have an assistant. You probably, her name’s Suzanne. What a godsend. What a godsend. She is, she grounds me, she motivates me, she organizes me, and she does everything just to perfection. Just a talented individual. She’s the one that did my website, helps me with my books, she’s my personal assistant, and I’m blessed to have her in my life. We all need someone to lean on.
Cathy Meehan: Yes. Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah, we do. We do. Especially, especially if you’re going through a valley, you need somebody. And I always say, you know, God will send you people. God sends us helpers when we need helpers. We have a God of abundance and a provider. So I’m glad that Suzanne is your provider. And sounds like your wife Joyce has been your rock through all of this, which, you know, God, God surrounds us with people that we need in that way. So Greg.
Greg Wyatt: And if I don’t if I don’t mention this, this I wrote a four-book series and it started with me and Weston. The first book is When His Smile Disappeared. A father’s true story of autism, loss, and the fight to hold on. The second one was Two Children, One Storm. The third one is When Truth Finally Spoke.
Cathy Meehan: Okay. Mm-hmm.
Cathy Meehan: Hmm.
Greg Wyatt: And the fourth one is A Life Rewritten by Love. We only got the first one published. They’re all done, but we have a system that we go through for Amazon. And I’ve been so busy writing books. I’ve got these three in the queue and two more. I’ve got five books coming out. They didn’t just all come out. It took years to write them. and it’s it’s it’s challenging, but it’s good.
Greg Wyatt: Absolutely. And there’s so much wisdom, so much hidden wisdom. All you have to do is pick it up. And there’s a lot of other great books out there, too. I may be a little biased because they’re mine, but I will say this: there is no one that I know that has a story, a testimony that has anything like mine. And I’m very proud of that. God brought me through the ashes, and now
Cathy Meehan: Yeah.
Greg Wyatt: He’s raised me up to tell my story, to encourage others to make the right decisions, to do the right thing, to learn the truth, because you can’t make the right decisions unless you know the truth.
Cathy Meehan: Absolutely. Greg, you are a wealth of knowledge. And I am, I am very grateful that God put you on this path so that you can tell your story. I am deeply sorry that you have had to go through some of those valleys because that’s it’s it’s not easy to get through those, but thankfully you had your faith in God to get you through those. And I thank you so much for sharing with our community.
And just I wish you the best. May God bless you and your family. And I hope to have you on again. And until then, have a blessed day, Greg. Thank you so much.
Greg Wyatt: Thank you for sharing. Thanks for having me on.
Cathy Meehan: You bet, thanks.
